Activists arrested after occupying Speaker McCarthy’s office over AIDS program reauthorization

Wait, they've been indicted and acquitted already?

 

So when I said to arrest them and that people should expect to be arrested when they do things like that, you interpreted that as me NOT saying they should face consequences?

I think what is happening here is that my response is not what you expected. You assume non-MAGA people are going to jump in here and say how these protestors were innocent and this is terrible, yada yada yada. Sorry to disappoint.

 

You did. You didn't say anything about prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law.

 

I don't care how the judges rule or how people write in history books, but the government was never at any risk of being overthrown by the 1/6 temper tantrum.

 

I may be wrong on this but I don't know of any defendant that has confessed to wanting to take over the government as motivation for their actions. I don't even know of any defendant that has had anything to that effect brought up in their indictment.

 

If they had assaulted police, damaged the property and threatened to execute the vice president you might have a point — but they didn’t. So you don’t

 

They damned sure interfered with the official functions of government and THAT is where the "insurrection" charges come from.

 

Are the McCarthy office terrorist insurrectionists above the law?

 

I am not aware of anyone being charged with “insurrection” — can you post the court case?

 

Irrelevant. No one charged with crimes on J6 was charged with insurrection, neither.

 

Well, "insurrection" is the basis for treating J6 protesters as domestic terrorists, the basis for the second impeachment of Trump, the purpose of the J6 committee, the basis for all these cases having Trump removed from ballots based on the 14th Amendment, etc. It seems to me that with "insurrection" being the basis for so much really important stuff we really should have some pretty damned clear indication of what, exactly, constitutes and "insurrection"!

 

These guys will of course get a lil slap on the wrist then off they go to commit more insurrections!

However I enjoy threads like this since under the new rules these are going to be felonies, so eventually some dumb activists will do this in a red state courthouse or legislature...

 

Up to the judge and the sentence recommendations by the office of pardons. It is based on past criminal history, whether they pleaded guilty or not, whether they admitted fault or not, and a few other factors. federal sentencing is not the same as state sentencing where you can have minimum years in prison for any said offense.

 

The person you quoted got 2 weeks of prison time, 7 days for each offense, plus a year of probation.

Or did you read the article or just the biline?

 

Yeah right because that is not what your side says anytime they start talking about a CW.

But the problem is that some of the people quite literally said, while they were rampaging through the capitol, that they were going to hang Pelosi, Pence, and anyone else in some form of viligante justice. This was not a peaceful transition of power. This was a poor, piss poor, attempt at a government takeover for by any means neccessary.

 

He got 90 days house arrest and 3 years probation. It's literally I provided.

 

Probation is not jail time. It is technically called supervised release. As long as he met conditions of that release, then there is no problem. He meets with his parole officer from once a week to once a month depending on the conditions of that supervised release or probation.

House arrest is not really jail time. It is basically a time out type of thing. You are allowed to go out of the home for certain things such as job, church, or medical appointments. But what you cannot do is go to the local bar and drink till 2 am.

And in either case, none of it was "years in prison" as you claimed originally.

 

What those individuals said, and what you're saying they were doing(attempt at a government takeover) doesn't compute. After murdering the individuals, then what? There is no 'next step'. You can say they attempted murder, and I wouldn't have denied that charge at all. But they did not plan to take over the government.

We know this, because the representatives were whisked off to safety, and thereby away from their official posts. Were it a *real, actual* plan of taking over the government, once they vacated their positions, the intruders would fill in those offices, and hell make the voting decisions themselves. Lock in capitol hill, etc.

The fact that none of that was charged, or even seriously considered by the DOJ, shows what most sane people acknowledge was a riot. Even judges are now reluctantly calling it a riot, because that is what it was and is.

You have to wonder why MSNBC, Left crowd fantasizes about the insurrection that wasn't, or the takeover that wasn't. It's honestly bizarre, but it has no basis in reality.

So that's first off, you need to divorce yourself from the fiction-canon in your head of a 'takeover' of the government. Or to 'overturn the election', both of these premises are demonstrably false. And how do we know the 'overturn the election' to also be a fiction? Well, because if that were the case, the whole takeover of the government would have been more essential as that's key to 'overturning the election'.

But again, they didn't do that. The DOJ didn't even charge that, because it never happened. They never occupied any positional seats, or attempt to lay claim otherwise. They were certainly upset about the election results, and they certainly hoped to change the outcome. But they didn't overturn it themselves, or directly for that matter.

A part of this conversation exists for the same reason as other social justice issues: A lot of people humored the side. But it's dangerous and bad to humor people, so now we're going to cold slap reality. It was never an insurrection, the government was not at risk of being overthrown. The election was not going to be overturned.

None of it happened, none of it ever will happen.


Then lastly, there is not a "my side". I haven't voted since 2016. I haven't voted on a straight line ticket ever. I don't have a side, it doesn't exist.
I've voted for complete independent judges to the extent that I did vote, even though those largely don't win. Because A: We shouldn't be voting for judges at all, B: It's even worse for them to have a political slant.

It's likely DT has an orange suit, I already am at peace with that. At least for my person. What I am absolutely terrified of, is 'what's next'. Because there will be people who aren't at peace with that. And in the very unlikely event that DT doesn't have an orange suit, you and others will not be at peace with that, and please save the absolutely laughable excuse of an attempt to claim that you would be.

We already have proof(2017 riots, and the 2020 summer riots) that this is absolutely not the case. Both 'sides' will not be completely happy with the outcome of this farce. And everyone seemingly knows that, because those who are for the farce insist that 'upholding the rule of law'(which in this case, happily coincides with DT's incarceration) is what's important, and the judiciary can't give consideration to the public.

But upon thinking about it, it is the prosecution's argument for this super speedy trial on behalf of the public's interest. So which is it, can the judiciary give consideration to the public or no? Or is it selective consideration that again, happily coincides with the prosecution's point of view?

In any event, since we are aware that not everyone will be accepting of this farce's outcome that next step is important. And in the eyes of the left and law enforcement, it will be to simply put down any further rioters and civil disturbances, right? Well, all good and well so long as it can actually do so with the minimal force required.

If excessive force is required, or heaven forbid it actually gets drawn out, again, see, Brazil/EU. Even naming the Proud Boys as a 'far right extremist group', sets the stage for decades to come. But you haven't considered that, because for you and the left, getting DT that orange fitted suit is priority #1 and all else be damned. I'm already thinking about what's next.

We will lose our exceptionalism, for all time. We will no longer be a shining beacon on the hill. We're just like any other politically unstable country floating on this rock. Prone to violent outbursts, prone to incarcerating political foes. That's the future. And yes, that's the future even if DT is defeated because of the perhaps successful attempt to get him his orange suit.

That symbolism will rock the US to its core, and challenge its premises like nothing since the Mason-Dixon fault line.

The peaceful transition of power wasn't just because both sides were graceful, it's because we held our exceptional tradition that we're not going to incarcerate political persons. Again, unlike the rest of those barbarians. This year 2024 will be about whether we can maintain our traditions in the face of vengeance.

 

Oh stop it everyone here is well aware of how judges sentence people and the difference between state and federal why do you always assume we are all just dumb idiots who you must bear the burden of educating?

I'm asking you as a citizen to give me your opinion as you have in the past for people who trespass and engage in obstruction at the Capitol. Why the sudden reluctance?

 

Irrelevant.

 

It does not have to compute with you specifically. It was documentented. And yes, there was individuals who literally said that they are their to hang Pelosi, Pence, and anyone else who didn't agree with them. Most of those who said this were in the Proud Boys group and Oath Keepers. This was not a peaceful transfer of power because they literally stormed the US Capitol, caused disruption when counting the votes to confirm Biden won the Presidency in 2020, and so forth. And the other part is the senators AND representatives should not have been "whisked off to safety" to begin with. This is usually automatic. Even in 2017, when the Combined Chamber was confirming, even Joe Biden rejected any attempt to challenge the votes. Pence did the same thing. And the moment he denied Arizona, that is when all hell broke loose, with the rest is history. History, in the long run, is not going to look kind on that day. And yet, there is still threat of violence, especially by the far right wing, who think force is necessary. If it happens again, then De Guello should be the rule of the day.

I hate to pee in your cheerios here, but every country thinks they are "exceptional." We are just the most obnoxious about it and it is part of our American history myth. It is why we now have people stating that "America is God's Country" or "America is favored by God." People just don't read their Bible when it says that God that all authority comes from God, Romans 13:1. And with statements like that, they are saying that God does not approve of one form of government or the other. that is the wrong way to look at things religiously and that verse has been misused time and time again. Hence our current problems.

 

That’s untrue, the vast majority simply took selfies and were politely escorted around sight seeing. There was no insurrection attempt, that’s simply left wing conspiracist theory. Akin to the Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election conspiracy theory.

 

Uhm no. I know that is what Tucker said, but that is not the facts of the case. The House was closed, there were barricades, and they stormed the entraces, all 7 of them. We have famous photos of people putting their feet on Nancy Pelosi's desk and others who were literally crawling through the window. Most were accused of illegal entry, pleaded guilty, had time served, and paid a fine. That was over half of the January 6th defendants according to the DOJ.

 

I do have to find humor in these words to not find it disturbing. When trump was trying to “lock up” his enemies, when he implanted government officials and then tried to get them to find cause to prosecute them (the first impeachment for example), when he was retweeting “the only good democrat is a dead one” and when his team literally conspired to place fraudulent elections so that his VP could overrule the will of the people — that was all fine and dandy. If only became an issue when these people were appropriately labeled what they are and he started being indicted.

It would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad that such a sizable portion of the US feel it’s ok for their team (and you can deny it all you want) to massively gerrymander to strip voting power from the people, outright commit fraud (FL, NC and MI for examples) not to mention this new strategy of just refusing to allow confirmation so that the next conservative president can install loyal officials (see the USSC and military chain of command) — all of which is laid out in project 2025.

You people actually think you are fooling people, and perhaps you are fooling enough — but the fall of this nation will not be on individuals trying to follow the will of the voters, it will be on people fighting to force their own agenda.

 

I mean, if definitely looks like these people are just taking selfies. What do you think?







Such peaceful patriots. They just wanted a selfie!