AG Barr On Universal Mail-In Voting: “This Is Playing With Fire…Very Open To Fraud And Coercion”

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not even close. Those that have an issue with his comment are reinforcing his position.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    CNN didn't prove that and cited a case BEFORE he was AG.
     
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    Since no one is being urged to vote twice...........................

    But again you guys seem to be showing why we SHOULD NOT have mailin voting if a person can vote by mail AND in person and have both counted.

    "If mail voting is as secure as everyone seems to want desperately to believe, though, isn’t Mr. Trump correct to say that two-timers would be turned away? The system should be able to handle such a test as routine.....

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    “If you mail in a ballot a week before the election and it’s not showing up, or you’re not able to determine whether or not it’s been accepted, you can vote in person,” Patrick Gannon, a spokesman for the North Carolina Board of Elections, said on a press call Thursday. “If your ballot subsequently arrives at the county board of elections, that vote will not be counted.”

    Officials discourage this, and they might investigate it, but North Carolina’s fraud statute requires bad intent. At least one state explicitly allows in-person voting to override an absentee ballot, in case a swing voter doesn’t stay swung. “The Election Law recognizes that plans change,” New York’s voting website says. “The Board of Elections is required to check the poll book before canvassing any absentee ballot.”...

    ....The overreaction to Mr. Trump’s voting remarks betrays that there really could be an issue with ballot integrity this fall. Yet the media-Democratic chorus only gets alarmed at the prospect that Mr. Trump might exploit it. The reality is that both parties are gearing up to challenge mail-in voting with lawsuits that could tie up the result of a close election for weeks. They’d do better by the country if they paid more attention to the risks and reduced them."
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-vote-early-and-often-11599174742?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
     
  4. ronv

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    Did Barr say it was after he was AG? Don't think so.
    Like I said earlier, I gave you the link that said it didn't happen, so if you think it did - show us.
     
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    That's a lot of words from which one can infer you didn't see Barr flailing aimlessly to Wolf Blitzer.

    Watch it... it's pretty funny to watch an AG admit he didn't know the law that most 9th graders know...
     
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    “Prior to his interview, the Attorney General was provided a memo prepared within the Department that contained an inaccurate summary about the case which he relied upon when using the case as an example.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...3aafac-ee2e-11ea-ab4e-581edb849379_story.html
     
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    I watched and he is quite right and the laws vary by state it's not a federal issue it is a state issue, you cited North Carolina

    "“If you mail in a ballot a week before the election and it’s not showing up, or you’re not able to determine whether or not it’s been accepted, you can vote in person,” Patrick Gannon, a spokesman for the North Carolina Board of Elections, said on a press call Thursday. “If your ballot subsequently arrives at the county board of elections, that vote will not be counted.”"

    Trump statement was quite prudent advice.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    He said "we just".

    But it was incorrect information given to him by the DOJ.
     
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    The state laws do vary state by state, but as it took Ted Lieu to point out, it's also a Federal Law, which doesn't vary state by state..

    You'd think the AG of the US would know that, but oh well...

    https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52 section:10307 edition:prelim)

    Go down to Item E...

    Thanks Congressman Lieu....

    Also, neither Wolf or I cited North Carolina....
     
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    Their vote will be thrown out, it is still voter fraud.
    And I am not talking about all states. I am talking about NC where his speech was made. Where it is a felony.
     
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    Good. You can still watch.
     
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    Many states do not allow counts to happen until Election Day. Just because they haven’t received your initial vote doesn’t mean you get to vote a second time to “make sure”. The NC board of elections has already addressed this and said you can check — but you cannot vote again. And they don’t recommend going to the polls and slowing them down when you can do so online.
     
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    So Barr lies and you swear to it. Pretty funny.
    How many more have you fallen for? :)
     
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    Yeah, that just the sort of shitshow Trump is trying to promote... It's not enough that he's ****ed up the country with his COVID "response". It's not enough that he's trying to **** up the postal service. It's not even enough that he's trying to **** up a simple process of mailing in your ballot.

    Now he wants people voting by mail to show up and clog the lines just to ask if their mail in ballot was received.

    Stupidity like that should not be allowed to stand (and mean that literally and figuratively)
     
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    Post the statute that says this, because I’ve already posted the statute that says this is a felony.
    Maybe you are not getting that
     
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    The state of North Carolina disagrees with you. Feel free to test it though
     
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    I reject your dishonest assertion. What LIE did Barr tell that I've "sworn to"? Be specific.

    His logic isn't negated just because he may have cited a wrong case.
     
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    @nighOwl

    “They will vote, and then they are going to have to check their vote by going to the poll and voting that way because, if it tabulates, then they won’t be able to do that,” Trump said. “So let them send it in, and let them go vote. And if their system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote. If it isn’t tabulated, they will be able to vote. So that’s the way it is, and that’s what they should do.”
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    Voting twice is illegal under both North Carolina and federal law. In North Carolina, it is also illegal “to induce” someone else to fraudulently cast a ballot.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...idents-vote-twice-which-is-illegal-2020-09-02
     
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    A clear challenge to a system that hasn't even been put into effect yet.

    So, let's examine this logically - Trump recommends people vote twice under a system that hasn't even been enacted yet. Ergo, he cannot be encouraging the violation of existing voter laws, since the vote-by-mail has not been made nationwide law. It's all hypothetical.

    Complete logic fail by liberals.
     
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    It is not an issue that they will be counted twice, it will be caught and not counted. There is a strawman that you and the Wall Street Journal have created, I see they have disseminated their talking points very well. The issue is in voting twice, that is what is illegal, that is what is a felony.
     
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    Which is why he said Go To Vote and VERIFY your mail in vote was counted, if not vote on site to insure.
     
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    No, in fact they dont.
     
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    His logic isn't negated just because he may have cited a wrong case.[/QUOTE]

    I thought you were just going to watch. :)
     
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    The strawman is that Trump is telling people to do something illegal when in fact as I cited that is exactly what the spokesman for the NC election board, the state for some reason everyone is focusing on, said.

    “If you mail in a ballot a week before the election and it’s not showing up, or you’re not able to determine whether or not it’s been accepted, you can vote in person,” Patrick Gannon, a spokesman for the North Carolina Board of Elections, said on a press call Thursday. “If your ballot subsequently arrives at the county board of elections, that vote will not be counted.”

    Now site Trump telling people to ILLEGALLY vote twice.
     

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