Alabama doctor says he won’t treat unvaccinated people: ‘COVID is miserable way to die’

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  1. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm asking you because you made the assertion that there is such a thing as "the oath" and now you've said it again, "The one all Dr.s swear to abide by."

    You are clearly not familiar with the concept and haven't even bothered to Google it and you are apparently simply talking smack about turning into a dusty skeleton.

    Are you talking about allopathic medical oaths or osteopathic medical oaths? Let's just assume you're going on about the oath of an MD. Still not a definitive reference since,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

    So I ask you again, what oath are you talking about?

    This one?
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    I do hereby affirm my loyalty to the profession I am about to enter. I will be mindful always of my great responsibility to preserve the health and the life of my patients, to retain their confidence and respect both as a physician and a friend who will guard their secrets with scrupulous honor and fidelity, to perform faithfully my professional duties, to employ only those recognized methods of treatment consistent with good judgment and with my skill and ability, keeping in mind always nature’s laws and the body’s inherent capacity for recovery.
    I will be ever vigilant in aiding in the general welfare of the community, sustaining its laws and institutions, not engaging in those practices which will in any way bring shame or discredit upon myself or my profession. I will give no drugs for deadly purposes to any person, though it be asked of me.
    I will endeavor to work in accord with my colleagues in a spirit of progressive cooperation and never by word or by act cast imputations upon them or their rightful practices.
    I will look with respect and esteem upon all those who have taught me my art. To my college I will be loyal and strive always for its best interests and for the interests of the students who will come after me. I will be ever alert to further the application of basic biologic truths to the healing arts and to develop the principles of osteopathy which were first enunciated by Andrew Taylor Still.

    https://osteopathic.org/about/leadership/aoa-governance-documents/osteopathic-oath/
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    Or this one?
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    I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
    I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
    I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
    I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
    I will not be ashamed to say "I know not", nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
    I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
    I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
    I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
    I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
    If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
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    Or this one?
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    AS A MEMBER OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION:
    • I SOLEMNLY PLEDGE to dedicate my life to the service of humanity;
    • THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
    • I WILL RESPECT the autonomy and dignity of my patient;
    • I WILL MAINTAIN the utmost respect for human life;
    • I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
    • I WILL RESPECT the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
    • I WILL PRACTICE my profession with conscience and dignity and in accordance with good medical practice;
    • I WILL FOSTER the honour and noble traditions of the medical profession;
    • I WILL GIVE to my teachers, colleagues, and students the respect and gratitude that is their due;
    • I WILL SHARE my medical knowledge for the benefit of the patient and the advancement of healthcare;
    • I WILL ATTEND TO my own health, well-being, and abilities in order to provide care of the highest standard;
    • I WILL NOT USE my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
    • I MAKE THESE PROMISES solemnly, freely and upon my honour.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva
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  2. FatBack

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    Obviously the hippocratic oath we are all familiar with but aint the internet great, everyone is an instant, "expert".
    So mr expert, which one makes this Dr.s actions ok?
     
  3. Grey Matter

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    No Sir, I am not familiar with any of these oaths, so there goes your "we are all familiar with" assumption. It looks to me like there's enough generic non-sense in these that it could go either way depending on anyone's particular point of view, contrary to your assertion that any of these offer ironclad vows that Doc Valentine has violated.

    Feel free to post whatever version it is that you think everyone but me is familiar with.

    Is this the one? Seems like this must be the one you like, what with Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia and Panacea all providing surety bonds for the vow.
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    I swear by Apollo Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will carry out, according to my ability and judgment, this oath and this indenture. To hold my teacher in this art equal to my own parents; to make him partner in my livelihood; when he is in need of money to share mine with him; to consider his family as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they want to learn it, without fee or indenture; to impart precept, oral instruction, and all other instruction to my own sons, the sons of my teacher, and to indentured pupils who have taken the Healer’s oath, but to nobody else. I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgment, and I will do no harm or injustice to them. Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art. I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein. Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm, especially from abusing the bodies of man or woman, bond or free. And whatsoever I shall see or hear in the course of my profession, as well as outside my profession in my intercourse with men, if it be what should not be published abroad, I will never divulge, holding such things to be holy secrets. Now if I carry out this oath, and break it not, may I gain for ever reputation among all men for my life and for my art; but if I break it and forswear myself, may the opposite befall me.
     
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    I just turned into a dusty skeleton trying to read that wall of text.
     
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