Albanian-Serbian Friendship seems to be possbile!

Despite the present image of Serbian-Albanian relationship, there are however brighter examples.



Boro(Vukomirovic) i/dhe/and Ramiz(Sadiku) (commonly known as Boro and Ramiz/Ramiz and Boro-based on poem), national heroes of former Yugoslavia and Albania, who were shot by fascist and ballist intruders. They were shot together, embracedin a name of national liberation struggle on April the 7th 1943.

Also emperor Dusan was named as : Emperor of Serbs,Greeks,Bulgarians and Arbanas (or Albanians). Dositej Obradovic was fluent in Albanian.

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Said by Dimitrije Tucović

Of course, there are lot more examples, such as :

Facebook group that connects Serbs and Albanians (yes real people)

Unfortunately I haven't found english version of a wikipedia article that sums up their common history but this is the one written in serbian in case any of you are fluent in serbian and care to read it.

To what extent, you believe that Serbian and Albanian contemporaries who tend to communicate on civilized base, can persist popular nationalistic extremes?

 

It's important that co-existence comes from the bottom up or on a personal level, authority cannot impose it onto people, that has never worked. They can accept it but can't create it. The greatest threats to cooperation are ultra nationalists, and foreign neo-liberals. The Balkans were for a long time were more accepting of one another, much more than the rest of the Europeans. I'm sure the Balkans and the people in them can once again work towards a mutual benefit for all but it is up to the individuals to do it.

 

another good examples i can think of now are hundreds of Albanian brides coming to Serbia to get married

they have more woman we got more man, and they don't have problem to get marry each other

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/albanian-brides-revive-serbia-s-dying-villages

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvjrgzm4Ma8&feature=related"]Srpska snajka iz Albanije - YouTube[/ame]

 

that's gonna be hard , particularly with younger generations ..i can see that a lot of them are brainwashed thanks to mass media and the internet.

Its not unique, the same things is happening now whit rising anti Muslim sentiment on the west, just look at ''General Political Chat '' on this forum its good example.


sorry for double post :S

 

They're Christian Albanians from Albania proper; we've no beef with them.

 

You're talking about the culture at the individual level, not political ideology.

 

well ofc they are Christians, Muslim woman is not allowed to marry non-Muslim
( most of the time )
but they are still Albanian, my point was not about religion

 

well ... not really, they're unified in that field as well

 

friendship based on political ideology is often not considered as a friendship, cause political ideology can change. I'm talking about the friendship, which is individual but if we start counting individuals who praise it, it can raise to bigger level than simple individual level.

 

unfortunately that's right. younger generations were raised in mass media counter attack which will hardly change them as they continue to grow up mentally. But in my opinion we're not talking about younger generations only, we talk about generations that will come afterwards since individual can hardly be different than his/her parent or the way his/her parent raised her/him. What I find interesting is that, every world misery that hits one bigger area, Europe for example which was case with WW2-tends to bring people near each other, however once it ends, people in this area tend to create their own misery.

 

They? You said that your dad is an Albanian and no, you're not 'unified' as you like and wish to present it here; many Christian Albanians are against Muslims and you know it.

 

What was unclear in my response to your initial post, Frozy?
I've a Muslim Albanians as friends, we grew up together in Belgrade and were getting along well, but once their older sibling got married and barred his wife (well educated Belgrade Albanian) from going to work I, even as a child, noticed differences in our mentality.

 

Nonsense, as you said my dad is Albanian and I'm supposed to be relevant on that field more than you are. Nevertheless, I do notice in Albanian diaspora in US, more exactly people who fled from Albania during 30's and 40's, not so friendly attitude towards Muslims however back here, in Balkans and in Albania difference between Muslims and Christians is not so noticeable and as a matter of the fact people are getting married to each other regardless of the religion they belong to.

Red part: I am Bosnian-Herzegovinian, regardless of my ethnic background which is diverse, when I refer to them I refer to people living in Albanian majority populated territories and communities.

 

Generally speaking even Muslim Albanians are against Muslims you know. On the other hand, ALL ALBANIANS consider Kosovo as ALBANIAN TERRITORY,i.e THEIR TERRITORY, so in that field they are pretty much 'unified', no matter how could that be hard for you to accept. (on political basis of course )

 

well I have neighbors from Sokolac (Serbs) as well, and the 'man of a house' barred his wife from going to work which i still can't completely understand, where do you think they differ? You were raised in Belgrade, do you consider that women are treated equally in Kikinda, Cacak or Jagodina? On that point I also had a classmate who moved back to Bosnia (she was born in Jagodina and her mother is from Jagodina),whose father is dentist (person with diploma) - her mother was not 'allowed' to go to work.

 

Those girls are Albanian Catholics and thats why they marrie with Serbians, And they are giving life to your villages which are becoming inexistent!

 

I can't confirm nor dispute your words, however, it is obvious my Albanian neighbors were Belgradians same as I am, thus no small town dweller mentality, can be applied to them. Non of the female family members were allowed to work, imagine that?!?

 

Thank you for confirming my words. I thought I'd never agree with you, but obviously I was wrong .

If Frozy put a little bit of thinking into this, she'd stop insisting on the Albo unity when it comes to Kosovo. Otherwise, one day it may come as a rude awakening to meet a half Albanians saying 'Kosovo is Serbia'

 

Just because some Albanians re marrying with Serbians doesn't mean tht they accept Kosovo as Serbian
Go in Albania and say that Kosovo is Serbia and you will see the results

 

How do you mean Against Muslim Albanians?

 

Friendship is always possible. Its politics and the media that stir people up.

 

exactly

 

Forzy sees the situation by a first hand tell me when were you in Kosovo? and how many times did you visit Kosovo, from up till down? I know, never

 

They obviously present 1st or 2nd generation living there just like my neighbors, still you can't see the difference. You cannot generalize and than accuse someone,for an instance myself for serbo phobia. take a look over yourself a bit., i mean deeper look. You are not overall image of Belgradians either, or you'll say that all Belgradians are open minded, in terms of respecting women's right? you probably can't say that.

 

You know?
I've been in Kosovo, I've been in Sarajevo, Zagreb, Podgorica, Skoplje and intend to travel a lot more in the future. Once Albos started attacking Serbs in Kosovo, my very best childhood friend moved over there, permanently!
Stop assuming that you know me, or anyone else who's typing here!
Sure you know the situation, your dad is an Albanian and as tradition goes in Balkans, our loyalty/loyalty to nation is tied to our father's side.