All Things Anti-Islam

Because while they quote the verses from the Quran, you rely upon explanations not found in the Koran. You claim it refers to specific people while nothing in the text contains any such limitation. "slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Couldnt be stated much more clearly.

 

I could have told you your lies are a wasted effort.

If you feel that you have the correct "translations" of your "holy" texts, then take initiative and reform your religion from the inside out. Put a stop to the madness. Put a stop to the slaughters in the name of Islam. A reformation is to be called for.

No. People have a tendency to perversion. People have a tendency to violence. Islam nurtures this natural, anti-christian flaw of man.

If it wasn't so we would think otherwise. MohamMAD speaks for himself. The Quran speaks for itself. The hadiths speaks for itself.

I've had good experiences with Muslims. What is your point? There is good in all of humankind, I believe. I do not have anything against the vast majority of Muslims. My own personal experiences with Islam has been hell to say the least. It has changed my life forever.

 

"Fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah". Terrorism.

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

 

For the reasons already mentioned. Don't be willfully ignorant.

You are intellectually dishonest and not worth anyone's time who is seeking truth.

 

Haram....

The Quran requires the ability to think, so you can understand what is being said.

I have this how many times, this is the last time.... The Quran was given to Muhammad SAW in parts. These parts, were given, some during times when the Muslims need guidance.

Now, when you take 7 words out of a verse of 54 words, of course it will seem to general! Right. It's a pathetic thing Islamophobes do.

Here, is the entire verse, all 54 words....

[9:5:] And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

I underlined the only part you cared to share. Now, might still seem general. Read the last part, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Forgiving? Well, then that would seem to hint that the pagans did something first. That in itself should show this is not a general command to kill people.

But what is there to forgive Allah SWT for?

Lets take a look history now....

There were many Pagan tribes in this time. Some of them were friends of the Muslims, and kept peace between eachother.

Then, there are those Pagan tribes who hated Islam. Despised Muhammad SAW and Muslims. These tribes would frequently attack Muslims and start wars. Some of them made treaties anyway.

Lets look at some more verses....

[9:4] Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

There were Pagans who made the treaty truly for peace, and others who made treaties simply to buy time, often breaking these treaties to attack Muslims. The latter are the ones referred to in 9:5.

However, what this does is further prove the 7 words chosen out of 9:5 by you, are not general, but specific to a situation the Muslims faced: War.

The Pagans breaking their treaty and starting wars against Muslims was what Allah SWT said could be forgiven.

There is more...

[9:6] And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

As I mentioned, not every Pagan tribe wanted to fight the Muslims. For those Pagans, the Muslims were told to protect them from harm and keep them safe. Once again, proving this is a specific moment and not directed at every polythiest.

[9:7] How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

Again, this proves it is a specific event. Have I made this clear yet?

And it says, clearly, treat them how they treat you. Meaning, if they are peaceful, stay peaceful with them. If course, if they attack, attack them back.

That is a general statement, for it is mentioned numerous times in the Quran, a Muslim is not to be an agressor, we can only fight in self-defence.

This entire event is an example of that.

Salam, and thanks for playing

 

The word terrorism was not around 1400 years ago. Neither was the word terrorist.

So, when Allah SWT says He will cast terror in their hearts (3:151) he means... Well, lets see what the dictionary says....

1 : a state of intense fear
2 a : one that inspires fear : SCOURGE
b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion>
c : a cause of anxiety : WORRY
d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT

Need I go on?

8:12 is what Allah SWT said to angels...

You aren't too good at this, Dixon.

 

Jesus, Like Muhammad were men. Not Idols. And while Jesus taught

Muhammad taught

While Muhammads is not

 

I of course was referring to terrorism as we define it today. As well I presume Riseagainst was referring to as well.

 

Ive quoted the entire verse in this thread already here

and here

Dont really see the need to quote the entire verse for yet a third time. I fully admit that Muhammad did give them a 4 month warning and muhammad commanded the Muslims to wait for the 4 months to pass before they begin slaying the idolaters. And I willingly admit that "if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate," the idolaters lives were to be saved. As a muslim, you just consider a threat of death acceptable in order to convert idolaters to Islam. Here in the west we believe in freedom of conscious.

No, the only part I shared 3 times within this thread. The other parts I only shared twice. Your arguments are pretty lame.

Convert or die. As a Muslim you find such an option given to unbelievers to actually be justified.

You demonstrate my point for me.

 

Why are we comparing Jesus SA and Muhammad SAW?

Muhammad SAW also said...

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 45:
Narrated Abu Shuraih: The Prophet said, "By Allah, he
does not believe! By Allah, he does not believe! By
Allah, he does not believe!" It was said, "Who is that,
O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "That person whose
neighbor does not feel safe from his evil."

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 47:
Narrated Abu Huraira Allah's Apostle said, "Anybody
who believes in Allah and the Last Day should not
harm his neighbor.

Notice also, how what they say is greatest deed is the same thing: Believing in God.

Why? How is that relevant to the Quran, written 1400 years ago?

You two are really desperate....

 

Most violent religion? Check
Exports mass violance across the globe? Check
The country's which are under its infuelence are massively anti Homosexual / Infidel / Woman / Democracy? Check

I wonder why people dislike such a fine religion

 

Irrevant.

Of course not, it sounds worse your way. And thats bullsh... The West is the biggest war mongerer on this planet. Give me a break...

I explained how you were wrong, your response is "I've quoted the entire verse in this thread already..." and MY argument is lame. I posted quite a lot in that verse, you didn't even bother trying to refute it.

Yes, for the ones who started a war, in a war you must kill people. That is what war is.

You don't have a point, and that you ignored my entire post proves that.

Salam

 

Most violent religion? lol...

Mass violence around the world? So America (and the West in general) is an Islamic nations then?

Nonsense. You don't live in the Middle East, never have, so you don't know what its really like there. Never will, listening to your TV.


Good point, your last sentance.

What was your experience with Islam/Muslims like? It must of been terrible, to hate the religion so much?

 

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

Striking off the heads of those who disbelieve, causes terror in the hearts of others who disbelieve. And the passage isnt a commandment for allah to strike off their heads and was instead a commandment to the believers to do so. Just as every commandment to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers is directed to the Muslims and not to allah.

 

He said most violent RELIGION. America isnt a religion.

 

Yeah, a literal interpretation sounds much worse than your way. And its not my way but instead the Islamic fundamentalists way.

 

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Thats referring to your muslim neighbor.

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 40:
Narrated An-Nu'man bin Bashir:

Allah's Apostle said, "You see the believers as regards their being merciful among themselves and showing love among themselves and being kind, resembling one body, so that, if any part of the body is not well then the whole body shares the sleeplessness (insomnia) and fever with it."

 

And dumb liberals want to force us Islam instead of Christianity!No one with sound brain in the Western countries wish to live like those in the retarded and degenerated Muslim "countries".

 

14 year old girl shot dead by Religion of Peace snipers.

 

Is there a verse in the Quran saying 'shooteth 14 year old girls'?

Oh you got banned. Now why am I not surprised?

 

Which liberals are they?

Which Muslim countries?

 

It does not specifically say, Muslim neighbor, and you cannot link random Hadiths like that.

 

Good question. Another good question, where does it say she was killed by a Muslim sniper?

But thats been his whole agenda, making things up. Nothing new.

 

Amazing how you actually think Christianity is being targetted in America.

Cry me a river

Name one example of liberals forcing Islam on people... lol