American asks: "Which former communist country is the most successful."

General Fear · Mar 11, 2012

Of the former Communist bloc countries, which country is considered most successful. Which is least successful? How is Eastern Europe over all?

Regards

Flag · Mar 11, 2012

None.
No country is better than 20 years ago, unemployment, crime, mafia, drug abuse, alchool problems, famine, homless people, prostitution all higher than 20 years ago.

litwin · Mar 11, 2012

General Fear said: ↑

Of the former Communist bloc countries, which country is considered most successful. Which is least successful? How is Eastern Europe over all?

Regards
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Only the European C.

top 3

Slovenia
Estonia
Slovakia

least successful
Albania
Moldova/Bosnia
Romania/Bulgaria

kilgram · Mar 12, 2012

Flag said: ↑

None.
No country is better than 20 years ago, unemployment, crime, mafia, drug abuse, alchool problems, famine, homless people, prostitution all higher than 20 years ago.
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Well, the Baltic countries are not in bad situation at all. Neither Zchek Republic and similars.

raymondo · Mar 12, 2012

The answer is Georgia and by a long way .
It's success embarrasses Putrid which is one of the reasons he is so desperate to get it back . It is the birth place of his idolised Stalin and where he grew up as a youngster before going to St Petersburg when he was 9 .

EvilAztec · Mar 12, 2012

raymondo said: ↑

The answer is Georgia and by a long way .
It's success embarrasses Putrid which is one of the reasons he is so desperate to get it back . It is the birth place of his idolised Stalin and where he grew up as a youngster before going to St Petersburg when he was 9 .
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'Myths about the Georgian Economy'

During the reforming of post-revolutionary Georgias economy, significant experience has been accumulated in this field, both positive and negative.

A plethora of myths about post-revolutionary Georgia have been created. The most accepted myths about Georgias economy need to be debunked.

Myth 1: GeorgiaA Country of Neo-Liberal Reforms

Georgia received this status thanks to the enumerated successes in reforming its economy. Adoption of a Labor Code which limits employees rights and expands those of employers, should be pointed out along with downsizing of government employees, reduction of the tax burden and simplification of procedures for obtaining licenses and various types of permits necessary for starting up a business. Such reforms were called neo-liberal reforms; it was emphasized that such reforms contribute to making the country more attractive for investment.

Thanks to these reforms Doing Business, which is prepared by the International Financial Corporation (IFC) and the World Bank, Georgia moved from 112th place to 37th place in 2006; to 18th place in 2007; and to 12th place in 2010. Of course, the Government of the country advertises this achievement in every way possible. The actual situation is not as cheerful as the results of the rating may give the impression of.

After the Rose Revolution there were many cases of infringement of property rights in Georgia, especially those of Georgian entrepreneursprivate owners voluntarily gave up the rights to their property due to pressure from the law enforcement ministries, or private buildings and facilities were demolished without a court ruling. In many cases (but not always) the Government is cautious with regard to foreign investors as they have capabilities to attract attention to their problems from outside of Georgias borders. Also taking into account the absence of a judicial power independent from the political elite of and gross interference by the Government in private business and in general the violations of human rights, it can be confidently confirmed that the Government does not hold back from applying certain Neo-Bolshevik methods in the economy.

With this explosive mixture of Neo-Liberal rhetoric and the Neo-Bolshevik essence of the economic reforms, the above mentioned Doing Business rating strongly overestimates Georgian reality.

In our opinion, any rating must be read with caution, as the results of the rating very much depends on the methodology, on which stakeholders are interviewed in order to obtain a qualitative assessment of an event. This can be easily proven if for comparison we refer to the data of the Global Competitiveness Report 2010-2011 rating prepared by World Economic Forum. According to this rating the situation in Georgia is far from perfect: in its overall rating Georgia lands at 93rd place, concerning ownership rights it ranks at 116th place, when it comes to independent judicial power it is on the 104th place and in terms of effectiveness of anti-monopoly policy Georgia ranks at 135th place.

What gives a more adequate view of the economic condition in the country is not various ratings, but statistical information, which confirms that Georgias citizens are in quite a difficult situation,even by official data, 20% of Georgias population are living below the poverty level, 60% below the median consumption (i.e. consumption of an average household) level. According to experts evaluation, 86% of the population are experiencing serious social difficulties.

Myth 2: GeorgiaA Country Free of Corruption

After a widespread combat against corruption immediately after the Rose Revolution, which lead to success in the budgetary sphere, electricity sector and patrol police,there emerged a myth, not without the Governments participation, that the country has become completely free of corruption.

It is true that widespread petty corruption has been minimized. But the situation with regard to the elite corruption, which transformed from simple bribing into more complex forms, is far more complicated. However strange it might seem, active combating against corruption contributed to this. Specifically, when former high officials and their relatives, who were suspected of corruption, paid a ransom (or price of liberty) for their freedom, those payments did not go solely to the national budget. Actually extrabudgetary accounts were established at the law enforcement bodies (State Prosecutors Office, Ministry of Internal Affairs, and Ministry of Defense) immediately after the Rose Revolution and a part of the payments were channeled to those accounts. As no one exercised monitoring over those accounts it is not known how much money was accumulated and how these funds were spent.

It is obvious that such measures as collection of ransom in return for the persons freedom, have only a one-time effect. In the best case it can be used again, but with less results. Thus, the businessmen were then forced to make contributions to those accounts. Only after this the IMF requested the Government of Georgia to abolish such funds. The Government of Georgia agreed to abolish such accounts but not immediately.

The practice of voluntary contributions by businesses at the request of the Government is a characteristic component of post-revolutionary corruption schemes.

De-privatization process, or review of results of the privatization and repeated privatization,started in Georgia after the Revolution. The law enforcement ministries made owners of privatized enterprises by using intimidation to voluntarily give up their property the Government.

As for the privatization, this process might be characterized as non-transparent, which provides fertile soil for corruption.

Myth 3: GeorgiaA Country with a European Orientation

Georgia was not hiding its pro-Western orientation even before the Rose Revolution, but this became more obvious in the post-revolution period. Aspiration to NATO was especially emphasized. The ambition to join the EU was not hidden either.

Brussels has made significant steps towards establishing and deepening cooperation with some post-Soviet countries, including Georgia. Thus, Georgia has been closely cooperating with the EU under the European Neighborhood Policy since 2004, under Black Sea Synergysince 2007 and within the framework of Eastern Partnershipsince 2009.

Officially Georgia actively promotes its European orientation but when it comes to making actual steps the decisions of the Government are inadequate, to say the least.

Thus, after the Russian-Georgian armed conflict of August 2008, already on September 1, 2008 Extraordinary European Council held a meeting in support of Georgia and Georgia was offered the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement (DCFTA) for free trade regime with EC provided that Georgia meets certain conditions necessary for uniting the economic areas. Specifically, Brussels requested from Tbilisi to adopt a European type anti-monopoly legislation (anti-monopoly regulations were abolished after the Rose Revolution) and food safety legislation, which was suspended after the Revolution, and to amend the Labor Code so that the rights of employees are protected. Though Tbilisi welcomed this suggestion from Brussels, after several days the Government of Georgia signed a Memorandum with IMF committing itself to not undertake these institutional reforms in the near future. It is well-known that the IMF mainly focuses on maintaining macroeconomic stability and the World Bank deals with institutional reforms. Thus, we can infer that a respective clause in the Memorandum was initiated by the Government of Georgia, not the IMF.
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the entire article -http://dfwatch.net/myths-about-the-georgian-economy-11211

raymondo · Mar 12, 2012

Probably the most insipid and jealousy attempted defence I have seen .

" No , Georgia isn't a 100 places above Russia because , blah di blah da .
No Georgia isn't really as well improved there because , blah di blah da "

Give it a rest . Whatever the reasons and circumstances , Georgia is the most improved and thriving ex USSR state by a long way .
And Saakashvili is a very intelligent , smart , savvy and charming guy . Gets mostly he wants from the US , and the EU love him and would love him more if they were not scared of Putrid tantrums .
Learn to give credit where it is due , Evil , and stop reading politically motivated clap trap .

General Winter · Mar 12, 2012

General Fear said: ↑

Of the former Communist bloc countries, which country is considered most successful. Which is least successful? How is Eastern Europe over all?
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A return to the past can not be successful for anyone.

EvilAztec · Mar 12, 2012

raymondo said: ↑

Probably the most insipid and jealousy attempted defence I have seen .

" No , Georgia isn't a 100 places above Russia because , blah di blah da .
No Georgia isn't really as well improved there because , blah di blah da "

Give it a rest . Whatever the reasons and circumstances , Georgia is the most improved and thriving ex USSR state by a long way .
And Saakashvili is a very intelligent , smart , savvy and charming guy . Gets mostly he wants from the US , and the EU love him and would love him more if they were not scared of Putrid tantrums .
Learn to give credit where it is due , Evil , and stop reading politically motivated clap trap .
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All your annoyance send to
"Freedom & Democracy Watch is an independent news service reporting on the state of democracy and freedom in the Republic of Georgia. It is published by Journalists for the Future, a non-governmental organization registered in Georgia and supported by Open Society and Friedrich Ebert Stiftung. dfwatch.net was launched in September 2011. We who make this website are three editors and three journalists.

Apart from reporting on news that concerns democracy development, the website also aims to accommodate discussion among academics, politicians and others and to provide a space for an exchange of ideas between different positions.

Our address:

Office no. 21, 2. floor
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http://dfwatch.net/about-us

raymondo · Mar 12, 2012

It is noted and of course I was aware of it .
But it does not affect the clear and obvious conclusion , for example , that Georgia is out performing Russia and other ex USSR by the proverbial mile .
You can argue until you are blue in the face , but Georgia is winning the race , however many hard luck stories you wish to produce about other runners .

Whine , Bleat , Tears , Anger
"Georgia has had help and favours"
Of course it has .
Who wants to give favours to a rude , mannerless oaf like Lavrov and a dwarf psychopath like Putin ?
Part of Government is working with other people who like and trust you .
Marks for Russia in these areas ?
Zero .

Hugilanim · Mar 12, 2012

General Fear said: ↑

Of the former Communist bloc countries, which country is considered most successful. Which is least successful? How is Eastern Europe over all?

Regards
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Definitely Russia.
All the others simply worthless.

raymondo · Mar 12, 2012

Hugilanim said: ↑

Definitely Russia.
All the others simply worthless.
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You are being silly for the sake of it , Huggy .

Potap · Mar 12, 2012

raymondo said: ↑

The answer is Georgia and by a long way .
It's success embarrasses Putrid which is one of the reasons he is so desperate to get it back . It is the birth place of his idolised Stalin and where he grew up as a youngster before going to St Petersburg when he was 9 .
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GNP per capita is three times less than in Russia. It's really big achievement, especially if to take into account that Georgia was one of the richest republics of USSR. You are the good joker raymondo.

raymondo · Mar 12, 2012

Potato ,
Georgian GDP growth in '05 -'07 was between 9% and 12% .
In '06 and '08 the World Bank named Georgia as the top reformer in the world .( DID YOU READ THAT ? )
Do you know better than them , Potato ?
Let's look at foreign investment , the best way of assessing future performance . Look at Georgia !!
Is Russia even in the picture ? Terrible performance .
Since those figures , money has come out of Russia as though it was diseased . People do not trust Mad Dog Putrid .
No , Russia has everything to learn from Mikheil Saakashvili .

Foreign direct investment in Georgia

Large inflows of Foreign direct investment (FDI) have been a driving factor behind a rapid economic growth in Georgia since 2003.In 2007 alone the economy of Georgia attracted $1,7 billion in FDI, bringing the total FDI stock to $5,2 billion, which is over 50% of the GDP
The table below shows FDI stock as a percentage of GDP in selected FSU countries. For statistical purposes, FDI is defined as a foreign company owning 10% or more of the ordinary shares of an incorporated firm or its equivalent for an unincorporated firm.
Rank Country FDI stock as a percentage of GDP (2007)
1 Estonia 78,0
2 Georgia 51,1
3 Kazakhstan 41,9
4 Ukraine 27,0
5 Armenia 26,6
6 Russian Federation 25,1
7 Belarus 10,0
The major recipients of FDI in Georgia are the telecommunications industry, transportation sector, production and distribution of electricity, and construction.

The last laugh is the best laugh . And it is on you , Potato

EvilAztec · Mar 12, 2012

raymondo said: ↑

Potato ,
Georgian GDP growth in '05 -'07 was between 9% and 12% .
In '06 and '08 the World Bank named Georgia as the top reformer in the world .( DID YOU READ THAT ? )
Do you know better than them , Potato ?
Let's look at foreign investment , the best way of assessing future performance . Look at Georgia !!
Is Russia even in the picture ? Terrible performance .
Since those figures , money has come out of Russia as though it was diseased . People do not trust Mad Dog Putrid .
No , Russia has everything to learn from Mikheil Saakashvili .

Foreign direct investment in Georgia

Large inflows of Foreign direct investment (FDI) have been a driving factor behind a rapid economic growth in Georgia since 2003.In 2007 alone the economy of Georgia attracted $1,7 billion in FDI, bringing the total FDI stock to $5,2 billion, which is over 50% of the GDP
The table below shows FDI stock as a percentage of GDP in selected FSU countries. For statistical purposes, FDI is defined as a foreign company owning 10% or more of the ordinary shares of an incorporated firm or its equivalent for an unincorporated firm.
Rank Country FDI stock as a percentage of GDP (2007)
1 Estonia 78,0
2 Georgia 51,1
3 Kazakhstan 41,9
4 Ukraine 27,0
5 Armenia 26,6
6 Russian Federation 25,1
7 Belarus 10,0
The major recipients of FDI in Georgia are the telecommunications industry, transportation sector, production and distribution of electricity, and construction.

The last laugh is the best laugh . And it is on you , Potato
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Well . Who believe you, Ray?
You again do not point a link .
http://www.politicalforum.com/united-states/237581-bad-americans-under-threat-wonder-man-2.html

raymondo · Mar 12, 2012

The ultimate defence for a Russian pinned in his corner . rofl

Or , America is worse .

Go out and find it .
You know that Russia always tells you the Truth !!!!!!!!!!!
Write to the World Bank and ask them .

"Bad Americans" is what we in the West call , having some Fun .
A joke .
That is why it says at the end , " For Fun "
That was the big clue , Evil .
Did you understand the big clue?
Did you work out it was Fun?
Did you see that ,This is for Fun , meant that it was for fun .
Next time I will make it easier .

EvilAztec · Mar 12, 2012

raymondo said: ↑

The ultimate defence for a Russian pinned in his corner . rofl

Or , America is worse .

Go out and find it .
You know that Russia always tells you the Truth !!!!!!!!!!!
Write to the World Bank and ask them .
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They're can also do link to this thread. Without any problems.
And you know why,because such a bright intellect what do you have on this forum did not ехist yet.You even do not know how to insert a link to your own post.

Potap · Mar 12, 2012

raymondo said: ↑

Potato ,
Georgian GDP growth in '05 -'07 was between 9% and 12% .
In '06 and '08 the World Bank named Georgia as the top reformer in the world .( DID YOU READ THAT ? )
Do you know better than them , Potato ?
Let's look at foreign investment , the best way of assessing future performance . Look at Georgia !!
Is Russia even in the picture ? Terrible performance .
Since those figures , money has come out of Russia as though it was diseased . People do not trust Mad Dog Putrid .
No , Russia has everything to learn from Mikheil Saakashvili .

Foreign direct investment in Georgia

Large inflows of Foreign direct investment (FDI) have been a driving factor behind a rapid economic growth in Georgia since 2003.In 2007 alone the economy of Georgia attracted $1,7 billion in FDI, bringing the total FDI stock to $5,2 billion, which is over 50% of the GDP
The table below shows FDI stock as a percentage of GDP in selected FSU countries. For statistical purposes, FDI is defined as a foreign company owning 10% or more of the ordinary shares of an incorporated firm or its equivalent for an unincorporated firm.
Rank Country FDI stock as a percentage of GDP (2007)
1 Estonia 78,0
2 Georgia 51,1
3 Kazakhstan 41,9
4 Ukraine 27,0
5 Armenia 26,6
6 Russian Federation 25,1
7 Belarus 10,0
The major recipients of FDI in Georgia are the telecommunications industry, transportation sector, production and distribution of electricity, and construction.

The last laugh is the best laugh . And it is on you , Potato
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GDP per capita at 2011. Russia 16,687. Ukraine 7,198. Georgia 5,430. These are facts, not empty words. The loss of the huge Russian market for Georgia affects anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

AGS · Mar 12, 2012

czech republic was successful for many reasons. It had schools, health institutions and technical engineering firms unlike other places that lack those amenities.

At the present moment, czechs are losing their status since they are a landlocked country.

Anders Hoveland · Mar 13, 2012

None of the former Soviet Republics has a very good standard of living.
Poland is probably the best, but only because of the trade and integration with Western Europe. Estonia is also doing well because of the trade with Finland (the finns sympathise with them because they are both essentially of the same ethnicity, similar language). Poverty and alcoholism remains a problem in the Ukraine and Russia.

AGS · Mar 13, 2012

Anders Hoveland said: ↑

None of the former Soviet Republics has a very good standard of living.
Poland is probably the best, but only because of the trade and integration with Western Europe. Estonia is also doing well because of the trade with Finland (the finns sympathise with them because they are both essentially of the same ethnicity, similar language). Poverty and alcoholism remains a problem in the Ukraine and Russia.
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I agree with you. Poland's currency the zlotney has resisted the inflation from europe and fares better than any other currency.

Estonians differ from the Finns.... I don't think the estonians speak suomi.

Suomi is the name for Finland in the finnish language.

Ostap Bender · Mar 13, 2012

General Fear said: ↑

Of the former Communist bloc countries, which country is considered most successful.
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DDR which joined BRD.

raymondo · Mar 13, 2012

Ostap Bender said: ↑

DDR which joined BRD.
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Cheating ?

MaxRiga · Mar 17, 2012

Ostap Bender said: ↑

DDR which joined BRD.
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lol, I'd agree on this.

SAUER · May 19, 2012

Definitely the Czech Republic is one of the most successful of the post-Communist states. They have the stable economy and pretty high standard of living. The level of crime is relatively low there. Typical small and quiet European country.

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