"...and justice for all": Polygamy law stuck down!

So you would be for the entire population of one city to all be able to marry each other and declare it a commune? Really this is what we are talking about a commune. You left communist Russia right? Are you anxious to make other countries move in the direction of the USSR?

 

Lol group marriage = USSR?
Why are you so scared of group marriage?

 

Why do Lefties need to characterize a Conservative being against something as being afraid of it? I oppose such a thing because it removes society from the path of logical and normal and wishes to make that which is deviant as being mainstream.

A court could not possible make sense of such a mixed up family environment to raise a child in and this is what truly bothers me about it. The children would be so emotionally mixed up by it all. Its like Communism because it would be communal living.

 

I wouldnt know im not a leftist. But I sensed fear due to your crazy non sequitur.

Well being 'normal' is relative, so that isn't an argument for anything. As for the 'logical' argument, how is group marriage illogical? And to your last point, how is it deviant? This seem like another relative word that is entirely subjective.

What is your evidence for that? Can you give an example of how polygamous marriages disrupt the court system in countries that have legalized polygamy?

More than in a monogamous break up? Where is your evidence?

Lol any marriage is communist then. Just calm down - communism isn't going to strangle you in your sleep.

 

I don't think so. Since the 70's, homosexuals and lesbians have been migrating from conservative states to liberal ones, and lots of homosexuals from Utah are currently working in New York, Washington DC, etc

If you talk about rights as society, then such "gay marriage" might be possible, but in religious ground when the foundation is the bible, we have that God allows a man to marry various women, to take care of ALL of them, not to divorce them "for any reason unless fornication" according to Jesus, and if a man marries more than one wife then he won't be able to be a preacher or a deacon, according to the apostles...

But about homosexuality, sorry, the bible from beginning to end considers it an ABOMINATION and homosexuals are not accepted by God under any circumstance, even if homosexuals pray all day long, give lots of money to charity, never steal or kill, always say the truth, etc. etc... the simple status of being homosexual is the sin that impedes them to be accepted by God.

 

Interesting position.

Most Christians pay lip service to condemning the sin, not the sinner.

And lets not forget the abomination of wearing your wife's coat

Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV

“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

No matter how much someone does good things- if a husband ends up wearing his wife's coat, that sin impedes him from being accepted by God. ....

 

You're forgetting one thing - people can cherry pick what parts of the bible they think are the 'right' bits. Its very easy for homosexuals to justify their marriage with the bible - just talk about love and blah blah like jesus did. Another example of this is that around the fact that there is infanticide and abortion from start to finish in the bible - but many Christians don't know this and even oppose abortion.

 

Doesn't the Bible also say "Judge not lest ye be judged"?

Isn't there also something in there about how the authority to judge sinners is God's alone and to declare others sinners is itself a sin?

Oh, and I know there is a line in there about how if you break one sin, it is as if you had broken them all...

Whoopsie

 

A lot of these quotes are contextual. You have to read the entire Bible and study the context in order to understand it. From the way you describe it, you make it sound as if the Bible supports having no moral standards regarding other people and that is not correct.

 

Sorry but it's all subjective opinion at the end if the day. And yes, depending on your view you can quite easily say the Bible has no moral standards. It's mountains of contradictions indicate as much.

 

There aren't many contradictions in the Bible, it's just that most people today don't study the context. Your average western internet critic of religion doesn't know who the Philistines were or what Caesar's policies were and so-on. They call other people ignorant even as they take the words they are attacking out of context and conclude without doing any real study that their target must be full of contradictions.

 

No there are heaps. It doesn't come with a disclaimer saying 'read in context.'

I agree but most religious people do the same thing. If people put the bible in context no one would be religious because they would see its mostly comprised of social parables, stories and backward explanations for moral instruction and social order.

 

Does anything come with that disclaimer?

I disagree. I think it is possible to apply the lessons of the Bible in a modern context without abandoning the original context. The original context can change the messages but it doesn't 100% control the lessons.

 

The Quran does for one, perhaps not explicitly but definitely implicitly.

 

That appears to be correct. Good conclusion of yours.

But remember, the husband stops wearing the wife's coat, he repents and do it no more, then he will still have chances to be OK with God.

Same repentance is assumed by homosexuals in order to be OK with God.

 

I sense there is a log in your eye.

 

Polygyny is perfectly acceptable in the Bible and Koran - it was practiced by Christians well into the 4th century and by Sefardic Jews into the 15th century. They were stopped by Roman Catholic authorities under their laws even though it is biblically permissible.

For those right wingers who claim to be principled and who claim to want government out of people's lives, they should be applauding the pro polygyny movement.

 

There ain't enough firing squads in all the world to make me take on an extra wife.

 

Let me see. Lets say that you read in the bible about infanticide. You must read the whole context in order to understand what is going on. You must learn the historical moment, the social status, the causes for such an event.

For example, in the past there wasn't the medicines that we have today to avoid plagues in case of an infection passing fast from person to person. In the past, when a complete town was a focus of infection, the people surrounding it killed and burned the whole town in order to protect themselves of becoming infected. This was also an action of many invaders to prevent infections when a town showed people and animals suffering of contagious diseases.

Just because the Bible mentions events, such is not a guarantee that God aproved it but that such is what happened.

The law of God in reference to deliberated abortion and death of the fetus is like killing a person: A man hits a pregnant woman and causes abortion. Only if the born child -because abortion- survives, then still is a penalty for any injury on the woman. Otherwise, -even if not specified in this case- still is life for life, eye for eye...

Christians do well by opposing abortion because is not accepted by God.

 

Yup, it is a straight 2x4 treated wood 8 foot long. I might use it one of these days to do repairs in my front yard.

 

So you admit it, yet continue to judge others? How very Christian of you.

 

In the Old Testament Sarah selected mistresses and concubines for her husband Abraham. She was upheld as the ideal wife in the New Testament. In fact all Christian women who follow her example are called "Sarah's daughter". This is why Christians practiced polygyny for 400 years before they were stopped by the converted Roman pagans.

 

Mistresses and concubines are different than wives. We're talking 'marriage' here.

Btw, the more I hear about the Romans the more I like them. They had the right idea for Jerusalem and zealots.

 

So if the homosexual repents after each time he has sex, in your opinion he is no more of an abomination than the husband who wore his wife's coat and repents each time?

Now- lets talk about women wearing pants........

 

There is little difference between the Morman polygamist lifestyle and the lifestyle of the typical Hollywood polygamist.

Multiple spouses and lovers and their children compeating for attention and resources.

The men I've seen with multiple wives seem to be type A ***holes---very controlling.