Anti Drag Show Laws

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  1. Polydectes

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    No you can't. Participating in a religion is a constitutional right viewing a drag show is not.

    What's the big deal with drag right now anyway it just came out of nowhere are people trying to pretend like this is a sexual identity
     
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    I'm somewhat conservative and I think sex education is a good thing.
     
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    What other reason would drag performers need to perform in front of kids?
     
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    There are enough that are pushing laws that would effectively ban the practice.

    I wonder if the language is so vague to the point of absurdity on purpose, or just because they’re bad at writing laws.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:
     
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    Don't go pointing out people in glass houses throwing stones.
     
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    Adult cabaret is very different than story hour. Adult cabaret performance effectively means erotic performance. The law says you need a permit to do it for money, and children can't be present.

    Here is the law: https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0003.pdf
    Reading a book dressed like a woman doesn't qualify as an adult cabaret performance under their law. It's about exotic dancing and sex acts where the goal is to solicit arousal.
     
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    Drag shows are the modern minstrel shows. Democrats will eventually look back at supporting this blatantly sexist behavior with shame. But, for now they're blinded by their hypocrisy. Just following their tribe...

    If these were conservative men doing this they would want them all locked up and cancelled.
     
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    Let’s make sure we have an agreed upon legal definition.
    How do you go about determining what does and doesn’t qualify as prurient interest? How would you measure such a thing? Would an insufficiently sexy cabaret performance not qualify? Will the police break down the door and demand to know if any of the audience is aroused? Does the very presence of a Drag queen constitute prurient interest?

    Laws like these at best have a cooling effect on people exercising their rights, and at worst create vague areas of the law where the government can impose penalties as they see fit. Are you in favor of that?
     
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    Prurient is a term used in a lot of statutes. There's decades of case law around what qualifies and what does not. Reading a book while wearing a dress does not.

    I'm not in favor of chilling non-illegal and non-harmful behavior, generally.
     
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    interesting though. Drag was around and pretty common at the same time as other minstrel shows. It's modern minstrel show but it was around back then and the point is to make fun of women.

    It seems to be an identity to some of these people. I think they'll celebrate any form of gender bending that moves away from masculinity.

    There aren't any drag king shows.
     
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    I meant sexualized drag shows for kids. It's disturbing how many liberals support them.
     
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    I think the idea is to remove masculinity. Masculinity in the traditional sense is protective stoic and emphasizes strength. Leftists despise this because they're not. So much so they blame masculinity for things that are the absence of masculinity.

    That's why there is no drag king story hour.

    The sexual crap though it happens I think it's rare. I think it's a way to bait and switch. Get people focused on the sexual component and they'll ignore the misogyny.

    No I didn't misspeak it's misogyny. The only reason men are masculine is because that's what women want them to be. Even the most nose pierced blue haired screaming feminist prefers masculine men.

    I've gotten off the topic.
     
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    Yes, you have made your view on this issue crystal clear (you insist on more government involvement), so I was only stating what you have already said. You, in the other hand, tried to twist my view into something it has never been.

    Are they doing it for kids specifically, or are they performing whatever they have rehearsed and some parents have brought their kids with them to the audience. No matter how much you express your fake outrage about how others raise their kids, it's still not your call or the governments call to tell how parents raise their kids.

    And how common is this? How many parents take their kids to these shows vs how many allow their kids to watch porn at home, or smoke cigarettes? We have some serious issues here in Florida, so why is the government 100% focused on crap like this when literally no one cared about it until they were told to care about it? Its textbook mind-control, and people fall for it every day.

    Bait to get people focused on meaningless crap while bigger issues are ignored.
     
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    You don't have to support a behavior to either support the freedom to engage in it, or to want the proper procedures used to shut it down. That point is regardless of whether DeSantis followed proper procedure or not.
     
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    I believe you mean erotic? Exotic means originating in or characteristic of a distant foreign country. Although that does bring up a point. This law could well end up banning a belly dancing performance.
     
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    Absolutely. A Governor making himself the judge and the executioner by filing a complaint to his own staff (the complaints are handled by his own office) is a textbook example of a corrupt politician abusing the authority of his office to advance political agenda. Its a big government move, - just the way you like it.
     
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    Since this is the criteria, does this mean we have to ban kids from Hooters? Oh! Given that many women (but not all) are dressing specifically to solicit arousal (although not necessarily action) it would also mean banning kids from the beach.
     
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    DeSantis makes no bones about it, and actually brags about how he uses government strong-arm tactics to advance political agenda and he mocks free-market Republicans for allowing corporations to......well......be free, and speaking freelu. He believes most Republicans want more government from their leaders, and by reading comments on this thread, he might be right, because many want government to strong arm corporations and individuals who disagree with the agenda, He IS an authoritarian and prod of it.

    With contempt for ‘corporatists,’ DeSantis pitches GOP voters on the power of the state
    Indeed, in his book, “The Courage to Be Free,” DeSantis describes how he used his executive authority against school boards, cruise lines, Disney, universities, race studies, local governments and “activist corporations.” He writes with contempt for free-market Republicans who “caved to the demands of large corporations,” and argues instead for government intervention in issues of speech and personal choice “in a way that protects individuals from these powerful institutions.”

    DeSantis’ vision has been derided as authoritarian by critics and, even within the GOP, the idea that the party is eschewing its long-held policy of government restraint has put many Republican faithful in a difficult position.

    “For years, the default conservative posture has been to limit government and then get out of the way,’’ he writes. “...
    Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/po...-politics/article273206645.html#storylink=cpy
     
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    The goal of Hooters is to serve you food with waitresses wearing more clothes than they would be required to wear while playing most high school sports. There's a difference between wearing a tank top and shorts versus holding children by their hand wearing a g-string and pasties over their their nipples as was the case in Florida that people in this thread are defending.
     
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    Would that be the video with no kids in it?
    And you avoided the comment I made altogether. If you are responding to an earlier post then quote that post. Although you seemed to have ignored the beach aspect from that unquoted post.
    So back to my post that you quoted: Did you mean exotic or erotic? Those are two different things. And then there is the aspect of this law affecting other activities such as belly dancing, which I know many conservatives have called sexual in nature.
     
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    No, I posted it earlier. The drag queen was holding the hand of a small child with bare breasts exposed. It was removed by mods despite the NSWF warnings and hidden behind a spoiler tag (understandably, they were right ).

    Your beach comment isn't the same. Again, it has to do with intentions and behavior. You typically can't being kids to a topless beach though for the same reasons.

    Erotic, was probably an autocorrect. I believe I used the correct term elsewhere in this thread.
     
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    Well, that is a good life lesson right there
     
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    Last time I asked for someone to prove this was happening they came up with one event the kids were taken to that had mild eroticism and some non- events

    Now you can accept the challenge to prove that children (and please qualify what you mean when you say children) are being exposed to lewd acts. In particular exposure that would qualify as grooming
     
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    What makes me very cross about the drag Queen hoopla is that they are so misrepresenting grooming that it is putting children being targeted for real grooming at huge risk. While everyone is watching the drag shows the 45 year old is grooming the 13 year old to run away from home and be his sex slave
     
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