AP: Old people "are stealing jobs from young people."

For the same reason they couldn't retire during GW Bush's 10 year reign.

 

Those trade agreements were suppose to create jobs by building factories in those countries and giving millions of people jobs who could then have money to buy from us, creating millions of more jobs here. But we made it so easy for them to leave, that many more left than we ever dreamed would go. So many left, we had nothing left we made here to sell the average Mexican, Indian or Chinese. They now could make the things they needed themselves. We were left only exporting big ticket items that only those countries and corporations over there could buy. We missed the opportunity to sell to millions. I blame the Republican Congress more for that. They had control of the house when Clinton signed those treaties and many chose not to add restrictions on to them and the Clinton administration was eager to follow along to get the credit for getting those trade agreements through. I do wish the Republicans would have been more in line with many Democrats in Congress and saw the danger of making trade to one sided.Ross Perot hit it right on the head. I believe both sides had good intentions in trade and housing. They just weren't smart enough to see the danger of what they were doing.

 

add 2001 and 2002 and you see a huge drop in jobs and that was the first years with the China agreement.

 

How charming. I suppose forum rules do not apply to people you couldn't care less about. Is that your view?

So what if I did? Do you just enjoy the thrill of contradiction?

No. Hacks are the people that think that they needn't refute what people like that say purely because of who they are. You lose again.

Tell that to Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein (top Obama economic advisers) who promised that if Congress went along with them (the administration) unemployment would not rise above 8% and, in fact, it would drop below 6% by 2012. Tell me...where they right about that?

I guess only the good stuff counts with you. The economic stimulus was such a success no one has even seriously proposed it again.

Really? I thought millions of cops were going to lose their jobs!
Your so called facts don't match the Politifact link you provided.

Imagine how much better things would be if each job hadn't cost nearly $200,000 each, by the government's own figuring. But hey, why worry about a little thing like money. Obama doesn't. http://www.nationalreview.com/campa...ouse-nuh-uh-stimulus-jobs-only-cost-185k-each

It would be much cheaper to have more people on unemployment than pay them nearly $200,000 per position. That's "success" no nation can really afford.

 

How caan a person prove job lose was from those trade agreements unless you ask the CEO.'s But we know one thing, they keep leaving. Whirlpool closed three large appliance plants in the U.S. just last year and shipped them to Mexico. Why? I can only guess. They were paying Americans about $18.00 and hour plus benefits, while LG and Samsung are craming large appliances all over this country, all made in Mexico or S. Korea. Then they started a price war with Whirlpool and looks like they won.

 

I'm glad you are completely lost. In January of 2009, there were 80,507,000 people not in the labor force. As of October of 2013, there were 91,541,000 people not in the labor force.

So there are 91 million unemployed, regardless of you or the BLS' semantics. That's an increase of 11 million who have dropped from the labor force, since January 2009, plus the number of individuals actually counted as unemployed by the BLS numbers according to their criteria. That makes a total of 22.2 million real unemployed.

Does that sound like a booming economy to you? It's an abject failure.

 

If I were a chronically unemployed 20-something or 30-something, I think I'd start focusing what's wrong with ME and devote less time to obsessing on what's wrong with everyone and everything else. As I've pointed out over and over, there are jobs all over the place! You can find them in abundance in every website and newspaper in nearly every city and town in the United States. So, little Johnny or little Suzy can't find a job...?

What did Johnny and Suzy major in when they were in college? And, with or without education, per se, what qualifications or abilities have Johnny and Suzy earned and learned so that they can compete effectively in the job market...? Oooh! Not many? Not much?

So what have Johnny and Suzy been doing about working on their deficiencies? Laying around on their asses at Mommy and Daddy's house? Playing Facebook and Twitter on their tabs and "smart"phones with their little bustout friends every waking hour? Putting what little money they have into every worthless thing they can think of, from toys to tattoos? What is it that you on the Left find so irresistibly attractive about people like this? The fine, hard-working, decent Democrats I've known have nothing in common with these whining slacker morons! I can think of only one thing: the great likelihood that they will vote for Socialist Democrats like Obama and Welfare State smorgasbord they always have as their most prominent feature....

 

Look at manufacturing employment in two periods.

After 1977, with passage of the 1977 Amendment to the Clean Air Act. Manufacturing plateaued off for twelve years.

After passage of the 1990 Amendments to the CAA, the employment trends have been steadily down, as the EPA continues to promulgate new regs pursuant to that twenty-four year old legislation.

America’s manufacturing dominance – even before World War One was built of cheap energy.

The 1977 and 1990 Amendment impose steep new costs on US-produced energy. No wonder manufacturing is in a tailspin.

Want more manufacturing in the US? Repeal the 1977 and 1990 Amendments to the Clean Air Act and rescind all the regulations and Executive Orders supported by those statutes.

 

Why do you think I'm "attracted" to your fantasy beings? Sheesh.

I appreciate you on the right like to create little fantasy worlds were all the problems are simply because of lazy "Johnny and Suzys" you create so you can pretend that all the problems are simply "the left" coddling lazy people and if you just cut off their welfare everything would be peachy, and then you can go back to cutting taxes for the rich.

But it's just a fantasy, no doubt born by indoctrination by Sean or Rush or whatever RW propaganda source you get your worldview from. We didn't have 10% unemployment because everyone became "Johnny and Suzy". We didn't have 8 million people become unemployed within a few months because they all got lazy at the same time and decided to live off those "generous" unemployment benefits.

 

Conservatives pining for the good old days when they could pollute at will.

 

How does that make me "completely lost". I didn't say anything about people not in the labor force.

I pointed out your claim that there were 91 million unemployed was bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

It sounds like you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. There is nowhere near 91 million unemployed.

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We can look at the trend before the Great Recession hit so see the job losses before the Recession, which were about 200,000 a month and use that as a baseline.

Of course, we don't know whether that 200,000 a month was because of outsourcing or productivity increases from automation.

 

Taxcutter says:
And liberals pining for the good old days of high taxation.

Was America that polluted in 1976 or 1989?

 

Fantasy? Show me some 20-something or 30-something "Johnny" or "Suzy" laying around on their ass in Mommy and Daddy's house, whining that they just can't find a job and I'll bet my last dollar that they're Obama-supporters and chronic welfare-sucks, Iriemon. How many of us on the Right do you know who behave like this, who whine about their total helplessness and inability to support themselves? They belong to the Leftist Democrat faction and it's futile to try to say otherwise. And, no, not all Democrats fit this dismal description, but enough do so that it is clear to us all who is in which "camp". Democrat power (like Republican power) is measured in votes, Iriemon. Whether you actually like these thumb-sucking, parasitic creeps or not, the bald fact is that you on the Left NEED them, and I doubt you'll deny that....

Tax cuts for the rich? Ah, you're playing to the crowd here, Iriemon. You, better than most, know how much I hate and despise the U. S. Tax Code which provides the big-rich with the ability to pay little or nothing in taxes! I've been through that so many times that I know we're both sick of it, and we both know that Comrade Obama isn't about to do anything to actually change it, either!

Sean and Rush? With a horrendous "president" like Obama running the country like an autocratic dictator, yes, I am loosely "allied" with people like Sean and Rush. Would it surprise you to know, truthfully, that even today I can barely stand to listen to Sean for more than about 15 minutes? Would it surprise you that when Republicans have been in power and things are more like "normal" I found myself disagreeing with Rush at least 1/3rd of the time -- particularly about environmental pollution and wanton destruction of the planet for "fun and profit"...?

The 10% unemployment you mention was caused by investment banker criminals and their bought-and-paid-for stooges in government -- in both political parties! Hyperlib Democrat socialists like Bahney Fwank decided that everybody should buy a house whether they could afford it or not, and you know the rest of that very, very TRUE story. I know you do, Iriemon, because you are fact-based, you are intelligent, you are smart, and I respect those things about you. And, being fact-based, you know that the Great Recession ended in June 2009! You have told us all numerous times that the unemployment rate has fallen dramatically under Obama, and now it is 7% and falling even further. What possible reason other than pandering for votes could the socialist Democrats be raising hell to extend unemployment benefits even further after years of it? Worse, they want to go on shoveling out the money without any way to pay for it except to pile it on top of the National Debt, which is already over $17.3 TRILLION DOLLARS! Oooh! Maybe they should at least mention overhauling all the loopholes, shelters, and exclusions in the U. S. Tax Code!

 

Our very greedy generations steal money from children all the time. where do u think the dollars for all the welfare programs comes from. SS, Medicare, etc all steal, steal, steal. Greed is the liberal cause today. It is not the 60s anymore.

 

Yes, it is a conservative fantasy to believe that unemployment was not because of the Great Recession but lazy Johnny and Suzis who are coddled by "the left". 8 million Americans just all got lazy at the same time and decided to live off those generous Govt benes.

Conservatives make sense. If you ignore reality.

 

Really? I completely disagree.

This is more about obama and pals changing the definition of pollution to force everyone to pay more, for just about everything.

 

No kidding?

 

duh.....

our government has driven many high paying factory jobs out of the country. Its just a fact, and its only going to get worse now that obama and pals have made so many new regulations, and changed the definition of pollution....

Its why GM doesnt build new plants in America, because its simply too expensive to produce new cars in America, because of increased regulations.

 

I thought we were in a recovery according to the Dems, now they are saying Obama has done a (*)(*)(*)(*) job with the economy ?

 

Really?

General Motors to invest $1.3 billion in five U.S. plants
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/16/us-autos-gm-investments-idUSBRE9BF12M20131216

Don't imported cars have to meet the same safety and pollution regulations that US manufactured cars do?

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Which Dem said "Obama has done a (*)(*)(*)(*) job with the economy?"

You've just misread what Dems are saying. Either that or intentionally creating a straw man.

 

Old people will soon enough be government dependent, its all about getting those younger folks government dependent, its all part of the plan...

 

You can't have exports unless you have imports...

 

Regarding the bold above, start with a more productive workforce. Then people need to look at all the expenses of a US business to determine which expenses hinder them from competing globally...like cost of facility, cost of materials, cost of labor, cost of taxation, cost of regulation, cost of energy, cost of legal liability, etc. etc. etc.

70% of US GDP is derived from personal consumption and maybe 20% from exports. Do some math; the US has 300 million people while the world has 7 billion people...huge and sustained economic growth is outside of the USA. And US corporations will provide products and services to these 7 billion but they will do it with offshore facilities and materials and labor...

 

I believe we should improve the Standard of living of the rest of the world, so they can afford to pay people to be couch potatoes instead of coming over here and making us look bad with their third world work ethic in our first world global economy.

 

China disagrees with you.