Apollo and Sunlight : addendum

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  1. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Scott: That closes the whole case right there. With no wire support both he and the dust would have the same zenith.


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    And from his own words, this comedian shoots himself in the foot!

    Explain to the viewers why you are afraid to give an honest response. Game over and you will ignore all of the last 4 posts.
     
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    If you're going to keep misrepresenting the situation in order to mislead the viewers, I'll have to keep posting the real situation in order to thwart you.

    Viewers, look at post #178.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nlight-addendum.584604/page-8#post-1073858614


    Here's the discussion on the jump salute in case he tries to misquote me.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-the-untenable-and-absurd-hoax-coffin.604367/
     
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    You are beneath contempt. Every post you make is from the most absurdly dishonest place.
    • Fact: you denied both jumps having the soil raised at the same time.
    • Fact: you confirmed the jump salute level with his boot, contradicting yourself.
    • Fact: you have avoided dozens and dozens of posts!
    • Fact: you are the worst troll on the internet.
    • Fact: BOTH jumps have soil level with the astronaut's boot!
    You said this about Cernan's jump:
    Scott: That closes the whole case right there. With no wire support both he and the dust would have the same zenith.

    CERNAN and the dust clearly rose to the same height. You disgraceful troll.
     
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    For the second time, when I said that, I was talking about the jump salute.

    The Apollo Moon Jump Salute Refute hd
    https://www.brighteon.com/a515dc75-83bb-4e02-aad9-b1cdfe0de150

    I wasn't talking about Cernan.

    Here's what I said about Cernan.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-they-are-on-the-moon.580330/#post-1072162665
     
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    You have not a single ounce of integrity. You are afraid to admit your colossal failures!
     
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    Then you are a lying troll: The viewers see you getting annihilated almost every post and you evading and squirming like a baby.

    Scott: That closes the whole case right there. With no wire support both he and the dust would have the same zenith.
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    To anyone but a dishonest troll, trying to back pedal from their foot shooting admission, the small arc of soil between his boots is rising at the same time and height as his boot. That's game over. What then happens to the grey soil against a grey background is 100% irrelevant. That is, it has no significance. When an object rises in line with something else it can and must follow it down again. Check mate and he knows it. He has been trolling this crap for 20 years and is a specialist in one thing - failure!

    It was moronic when you first said it, when you repeated it a dozen times and now it is blatantly dishonest! It is totally irrelevant for the 10th time! Your pathetic bouncing soil claim is provably bullshit. The soil rises at the same speed as Cernan, to the same height, so MUST by the laws of physics come down at the same time and speed!
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    Now what, more evasion and lies!? You are completely busted on both jumps, the falling battery cover, the rocks, the proven impossible lighting and massive areas, the LRV footage, and every other piece of garbage you have ever spammed the crap out of.
     
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    For those who tuned in late, he's trying obfuscate this anomaly.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-apollo-landing.519410/page-9#post-1072078676

    He looked like a total horse's a-s trying to obfuscate it. He keeps jumping up and down and screaming that he proved it wrong though.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nlight-addendum.584604/page-7#post-1073857095



    He keeps misrepresenting what I said about the jump salute so I have to keep posting this to thwart him.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-the-untenable-and-absurd-hoax-coffin.604367/
    (excerpt)
     
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    No it doesn't, totally irrelevant and very poor observation! We can clearly see the soil going forwards because it has a visible shadow on the left and a visible movement on the right!

    Scott: That closes the whole case right there. With no wire support both he and the dust would have the same zenith.
    Scott: I can see the arc you're referring to and the soil goes up as high as the foot

    A lie. His whole motion is one smooth parabolic arc fully consistent with lunar gravity, the soil is kicked forwards(shadow on the left!)

    Poor observation but sadly wrong and irrelevant. The soil rises at the same speed and the law of physics says it comes down the same. Busted.

    With no wire the ascending speeds ARE the same and descending ones not obvious as it travels forwards, but clearly has a visible shadow!

    Idiotic conclusion from pathetic observation and ignorance of physics! Proven in that small clip is that he obviously cannot possibly be on a wire. Busted.
     
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    Nope. I'm trying to get this dishonest poster to answer simple questions that he is totally afraid to reply to. Everybody know what happens when you waft a fan, air is moved, even with a gentle waft. It is directed in the direction of the leading edge. The serial forum spammer is busted on yet another simple piece of footage:

    The "viewers" have seen your garbage, your evasion, your appalling dishonesty, your never-ending failure to reply to hundreds of posts. No normal person would carry on with this pathetic claim in the face of dozens and dozens of irrefutable facts.

    Let me prove this to the viewers - watch for evasion or a dishonest answer.

    If you slam a door, what is going to happen, a tiny little puff in the corner or a large waft of air in the direction of the door shutting?



    You seem to have trouble reading. You certainly show dozens of really bad traits associated with conspiracy fools. You run away when you lose, you are frightened to be wrong, you don't assess any evidence that contradicts your fixated claim, you have zero objectivity, you have no integrity or humility and probably the worst of all is that you are extremely ignorant on every subject you chuck garbage at.

    You see the major problem you have is that the only judge of who the "horse's a-s" is here, is based on YOUR intellect and understanding. Since you have shown yourself to be one of the most clueless people online that kind of makes your pathetic assessment a little flawed.

    Regarding the falling flat battery cover lid and the dishonesty from "scott":-
    There is such a thing as deductive reasoning and he seems to have a complete absence of this basic and easily acquired skill. From the video we can see a number of things:-
    • There is a plethora of dust. It is clearly and obviously covering most of the visible area. This is not up for debate, the film maker actually insists on it.
    • The lid for the battery is pushed shut. Again not up for debate, clearly visible.
    • It impacts the box and there is a small disturbance in the near corner. Again not up for debate, clearly visible.
    • A descending flat surface displaces air as it falls. Mainly in the direction of fall, but also to the sides. Similar to the draft from a closing door. Irrefutable and obvious.
    • There is not the slightest movement or displacement of any of the dust opposite to the direction the lid is falling. Nothing whatsoever!
    • In a vacuum, there would be no displaced air and subsequently no displaced dust. This is what is observed.
    • In a vacuum and low gravity, any impact vibrations would exaggerate the movements observed.
    • It is completely and irrefutably irrelevant which part of the lid impacts the box. We know it does impact because it stops!
    • Any lid falling onto a box must cause an impact force and it must be from the underside.

    Now from the responses being received from this serial forum spammer we can also see a number of things:-
    • Clearly he is diverting attention from the obvious lack of frontal air disturbance that is 100% unavoidable.
    • He keeps referring to the underneath impact point not being highlighted when it is 100% obvious this is how the collision works. It must be the underneath striking!
    • This dishonest person will never concede the absolute obvious, he will obfuscate and divert but will never admit his errors.

    CLICK HERE to watch the clip. Pause the video at 17 seconds to see how this youtube video maker shoots himself in both feet. The whole area is covered in dust, I agree,
    yet the pushed falling lid only puffs in one tiny corner and look at how ridiculously high the dust goes up from the impact of the corner - low gravity! NOTHING is disturbed in front, none of that mass of dust is disturbed!

    The footage presented has now 100% irrefutably shown that the small segment highlighted must be in a vacuum. It almost certainly must also be in low gravity from the absurdly unnatural way the dust moves. The forum spammer has shot down in flames his own 20 years spammed claim!

    Further, since we now have proven that this sequence is in a vacuum, so must be the footage before and after this section. It's on the Moon.
     
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    Look at this post above, never honestly answered by the serial forum spammer. He keeps "thwarting me" by spamming the very garbage (responded to) that doesn't answer any of it. This guy has been doing trolling crap like this for 20 years!
     
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    Still waiting for an honest response to any of the major issues. It boils down to one of two things, either the serial forum spammer is really just too badly educated to understand basics, or he is in total denial.
     
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    This person is not here to debate either honestly or not. He has an agenda and it is nothing to do with any truth.

    Let me prove this to the viewers - watch for evasion or a dishonest answer.

    If you slam a door, what is going to happen, a tiny little puff in the corner or a large waft of air in the direction of the door shutting?



    You seem to have trouble reading. You certainly show dozens of really bad traits associated with cconspiracy theorists - you run away when you lose, you are frightened to be wrong, you don't assess any evidence that contradicts your fixated claim, you have zero objectivity, you have no integrity or humility and probably the worst of all is that you are extremely ignorant on every subject you chuck garbage at.

    Regarding the falling flat battery cover lid and the dishonesty from "scott":-
    There is such a thing as deductive reasoning and he seems to have a complete absence of this basic and easily acquired skill. From the video we can see a number of things:-



      • There is a plethora of dust. It is clearly and obviously covering most of the visible area. This is not up for debate, the film maker actually insists on it.
      • The lid for the battery is pushed shut. Again not up for debate, clearly visible.
      • It impacts the box and there is a small disturbance in the near corner. Again not up for debate, clearly visible.
      • A descending flat surface displaces air as it falls. Mainly in the direction of fall, but also to the sides. Similar to the draft from a closing door. Irrefutable and obvious.
      • There is not the slightest movement or displacement of any of the dust opposite to the direction the lid is falling. Nothing whatsoever!
      • In a vacuum, there would be no displaced air and subsequently no displaced dust. This is what is observed.
      • In a vacuum and low gravity, any impact vibrations would exaggerate the movements observed.
      • It is completely and irrefutably irrelevant which part of the lid impacts the box. We know it does impact because it stops!
      • Any lid falling onto a box must cause an impact force and it must be from the underside.
    Now from the responses being received from this serial forum spammer we can also see a number of things:-



      • Clearly he is diverting attention from the obvious lack of frontal air disturbance that is 100% unavoidable.
      • He keeps referring to the underneath impact point not being highlighted when it is 100% obvious this is how the collision works. It must be the underneath striking!
      • This dishonest person will never concede the absolute obvious, he will obfuscate and divert but will never admit his errors.
    CLICK HERE to watch the clip. Pause the video at 17 seconds to see how this youtube video maker shoots himself in both feet. The whole area is covered in dust, I agree,
    yet the pushed falling lid only puffs in one tiny corner and look at how ridiculously high the dust goes up from the impact of the corner - low gravity! NOTHING is disturbed in front, none of that mass of dust is disturbed!

    The footage presented has now 100% irrefutably shown that the small segment highlighted must be in a vacuum. It almost certainly must also be in low gravity from the absurdly unnatural way the dust moves. The forum spammer has shot down in flames his own 20 years spammed claim!

    Further, since we now have proven that this sequence is in a vacuum, so must be the footage before and after this section. It's on the Moon.
     
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    Bump. Demonstrating the most sick nature of conspiracy theorists. The bottom of the "education-chain", these people think they "know things" when they are too poorly educated to understand their own failures and limitations.

    We have 4 major slam-dunks in this idiotic sub-forum that anyone with more than reasonable intelligence, a modicum of integrity and objectivity would accept as rock solid proof. I'm not even including the Apollo lunar samples in this - on their own they disprove this complete hogwash!
    • The John Young jump salute has a synchronous parabolic arc of dust with his jump. Indisputable and irrefutable proof it must be in low gravity.
    • The Gene Cernan sequence of jumps has clearly visible parabolic arcs of dust that rise and land in sync. Indisputable and irrefutable proof it must be in low gravity.
    • The LRV has many miles of travel that would be impossible to fabricate in the 70s.
    • The one just above, the falling battery lid. Anyone who has ever closed a door knows what air displacement does.
    Yet here we are, not one of these trolls has the balls to admit their claims are dead in the water. Even worse, they are stupidly denying the undeniable and doubling down on idiotic side-issues, all debunked to death for 20+ years.

    Conspiracy theorists are dumbing down the internet - not one brave enough to concede their colossal failure.
     
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    Here's your slam dunk:

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    You pathetic troll. I pity the sad life you lead that necessitates you get your kicks from such cowardly action. Totally afraid to actually address the evidence,
     
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    MEH! This from the dishonest person who fails to answer the observations tearing his crap apart
    No it isn't. You are a lying serial forum spammer and your opinion is not just useless but deliberately avoids the large elephant in the room.

    Spam comment. It closes nothing but the battery lid on the Moon without air displacement if it was faked.

    The viewers want to see you getting your ass kicked again:

    "Anyone who understands the most basic of all physics, or who has dropped a flat object will know that it sends a big draft of air in all directions. The similar action can be seen when a door is closed. From the video, clearly two things are obvious.

    1, there is dust everywhere on the rover. The video maker goes to great pains to show this, erroneously thinking it helps his case. It does the opposite.

    2, the descending flat lid has no air being expelled as it comes down. There is no massive ejection of air in all directions, let alone the most obvious one, in the direction of the falling lid.

    Conclusion: The spammer has identified a piece of footage by his ignorance, that subsequently proves it was in a vacuum. Busted and he knows it. But we all know he has no honour and will never concede his failures.

    • Why doesn't a falling battery lid send the clearly visible dust everywhere in the direction of fall.
    • A falling pushed, large flat surface expels lots of air and would have blown dust everywhere - ergo it was a vacuum."
     
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    People can look at the anomaly and judge for themselves.
     
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    Scott: That closes the whole case right there. With no wire support both he and the dust would have the same zenith.


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    And from his own words, this comedian shoots himself in the foot!

    Explain to the viewers why you are afraid to give an honest response.
     
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    They can indeed. But you, you are incapable of honest debate. You were asked a simple question and cowardly ran away:

    "Anyone who understands the most basic of all physics, or who has dropped a flat object will know that it sends a big draft of air in all directions. The similar action can be seen when a door is closed. From the video, clearly two things are obvious.

    1, there is dust everywhere on the rover. The video maker goes to great pains to show this, erroneously thinking it helps his case. It does the opposite.

    2, the descending flat lid has no air being expelled as it comes down. There is no massive ejection of air in all directions, let alone the most obvious one, in the direction of the falling lid.

    Conclusion: The spammer has identified a piece of footage by his ignorance, that subsequently proves it was in a vacuum. Busted and he knows it. But we all know he has no honour and will never concede his failures.


    • Why doesn't a falling battery lid send the clearly visible dust everywhere in the direction of fall?
    • A falling pushed, large flat surface expels lots of air and would have blown dust everywhere - ergo it was a vacuum."
     
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    Liar. That is your original idiotic claim about bouncing dust. NOWHERE does it address the fundamental and undeniable issue raised. You made a statement that the soil should rise to zenith and it does! You have absolutely no integrity at all.

    Try again spammer:
    Scott: That closes the whole case right there. With no wire support both he and the dust would have the same zenith.

    [​IMG]
    And from his own words, this comedian shoots himself in the foot!

    Explain to the viewers why you are afraid to give an honest response. All you just did was put up a link to a link that was nothing to do with it!
     
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    It's not idiotic. Anyone who takes the time to set the speed at .25 and put it on full screen can see that it bounces (or ricochets).

    It doesn't look like that to me. Anyway, the dust falls faster than the astronaut and hits the ground before his feet do which shows he's on a wire.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-they-are-on-the-moon.580330/#post-1072162665

    People can look at the footage and decide for themselves.
     
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    You have to be doing this idiotic crap deliberately. I don't believe anyone is dumb enough not to see why your stupid claim is irrelevant anyway!

    Firstly, and quite clearly, I am showing the wave of dust rising in line with his jump (friction). It takes the same time to rise to zenith. YOUR garbage claim is making
    reference to the soil landing! Irrelevant. The laws of physics prove you wrong before you even begin your ridiculous obfuscation.

    Liar! It does so not only for all the visible Cernan jumps, but also for the John Young jump.
    [​IMG]

    Liar again. The dust is grey against a grey background and disperses on low quality footage. But it is IRRELEVANT! Can you read?! An object will rise to zenith at the same time as it subsequently falls to the surface (ignoring wind resistance!). Once we can see for a fact (and we can!) that both these astronauts jump with that very thing visible, that's it. Game over. You are done. Now whether you are too dumb to understand, too dishonest to concede, or too afraid to give up your serial forum spamming, it is also irrelevant. We landed on the Moon and the 2 short sequences show beyond zero doubt, that that is the case.

    Honest people can. People like you can't. You are lost in a world of batshit and failure, wilfully ignorant and incapable of honest debate.

    [​IMG]

    Go on, lie again. Say that dust arc isn't as high as his boot!
     
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    Incredible isn't it. A person who sickeningly claims to be objective, claims to be a truth seeker has now been shown to be the total obvious. Once again to reiterate:

    Case 1:
    This involves the Cernan jump above. This person denies the synchronous landing of the soil with the insane "bouncing/ricocheting" dust and then when shown a picture of the dust rising to zenith with the astronaut's boot denies the 100% visibly obvious! This one sequence alone proves without any doubt at all that the jump can only occur in a very low gravity environment. In addition to the proof outlined above :
    If you are suspended from a wire it is above you. If you then move forwards, the center of gravity is changed, the wire will pull you back slightly as it presumably attempts to follow you in a magic way to be above you once more. The fact that this basic thing has never occurred to the spammer or that he has no idea whatsoever about it, speaks volumes about how hopeless he is on this subject. In the above footage, Cernan comes back to the LRV from well over 100 yards away and not in a straight line. I don't know what bullshit suspension system the forum spammer thinks is possible and I guarantee he will not address any of this - but for there to be a wire above him following for over a hundred yards and not in a straight line is ridiculous and moronic!

    Case 2:
    This involves the John Young jump salute. The footage, once again, shows conclusively a dust arc rising between his boots. Incredibly, this serial forum spammer admitted that he could see this arc "Scott: I can see the arc you're referring to and the soil goes up as high as the foot" (not realizing its significance) then when shown how this was slam-dunk proof, he lied and changed his story!

    Case 3:
    This is astonishing. A whole thread on this one concerning the LRV Traverse on the lunar surface shot with film. It is one of the most amazingly detailed pieces of evidence possible and incredibly this serial forum spammer (even though he conceded he had no idea how it was "faked"!) still denied its significance.
    Still awaiting numerous things:
    1. How was this done - without ridiculous trolling about static screen projections!
    2. What possible reason would they even do this on 3 different occasions?
    3. How many people to do this astonishingly accurate film with zero inconsistencies and proving they were on the Moon.

    Case 4:
    This one is both insane and baffling. Noted here. Not one person reading this will not know what happens when you close a door. There is a draft of air and it is mainly in the direction the door swings round. On clear footage replete with dust, this person refuses to answer this totally obvious thing and maintains that a tiny puff of dust in the corner (from impact) is evidence of air, when the damn lid falling sends not a single waft of air towards the visible dust! The air is ALWAYS in the direction of the movement, with lighter spill to the sides. There is no dust disturbance matching the air displacement!
    He is afraid to answer this simple question:
    If you slam a door, what is going to happen, a tiny little puff in the corner or a large waft of air in the direction of the door shutting?
     
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