Are progressives really pro-choice?

Close enough.

 

Prove it. Birth control used responsibly

 

Your life is not worth me suffering permanent injury.

Unless you're willing to pay me a substantial sum of money for either the kidney or lung of course. Selling organs should be legal.

 

I guess the right is cool with violating responsible women's rights just so long as it's a relatively small number.

 

Still has failures rates that when compared the number of acts of sexual intercourse in a given day means they fail all the time.

 

Of course.

Just as Roe V. Wade was not decided until the number of legal abortions being performed already in the United States was in the hundreds of thousands annually.

Numbers do make a difference.

 

Yeah, that definitely wouldn't result in further victimization of the poor by the rich or anything.

You want women to risk potential serious harm or death for another person at the point of a government gun. Why shouldn't I have the same right in regards to you?

 

So for instance, the tiny handful of responsible gun owners who actually use their weapons to defend themselves don't justify the far larger number of illegal deaths caused by the private ownership of firearms, yes?

 

If you're saying we should just call it 'pro- legal abortion' and 'anti-legal abortion' then I agree.

 

Zero deaths are caused by the private ownership of firearms.

 

And so is the left. Both sides are trying to use laws to force the other to live a certain way.
Im pro-everything except restricting our fellow man with delegated, centralized authority. The right to make 'poor' choices is inherrent in the right to choose.

Im merely pointing out that those who commonly refer to themselves as 'pro-choice' typically really arent in precisely the same capacity as those who claim 'pro-life' typically arent either.

 

this is the second time you said something like this. Who are you trying to convince?

 

You're still not following; I don't care. You can quibble over phrasing all you like, I don't give a crap.

 

Naturally though you miss the obvious. the right to gun ownership is in the Bill of Rights.

The so called "abortion right" is an implied right based on yet another implied right.

 

Uh being forced to give up your heart or lungs or a kidney is NOT JUST A NEEDLE PRICK.

Pregnancy is NOT just a needle prick...it's just not something YOU HAVE YO GO THROUGH .

..and the important word here is FORCED....so you don't care if you're forced to have to use your body to sustain another's life but guess what most people object to be used like animals...

Birth control used responsibility does not always work AND IS NOT ALWAYS SAFE nor AFFORDABLE

and you forget one important issue in your Quest To Control and Subjugate Women....NO woman is under any obligation to USE BIRTH CONTROL.

Neither you nor your giant ego can dictate to others what "resoponsibility" is.
Why don't you tell all those fetuses that with their "rights" comes the responsibility NOT to harm the person they're in?!!!????

 

Nor is it your giant egos to determine who and who doesn't have certain "rights".

 

Yup! Rights, that word you hate when applied to women......

Because my opinions are based on rights. YES, rights over ride your opinions......



HOW do you want to give the fetus more rights?


Like I explained to you dozens and dozens of times YOU want the fetus to be able to use another person's body to sustain it's life ...that is a right NO ONE ELSE HAS.

 

And it isn't YOU so too bad for them...... ..and you ask how you denigrate women..YOU would have to ask...

 

A woman who gets pregnant is irresponsible to you and you ask why I think you hate women?

..and NO, an irresponsible person doesn't forfeit rights......being irresponsible is not a crime...


SO YOU want a person who drives too fast to give up their right to vote?

So you want people who eat irresponsibly to lose what, their right to bear arms??

 

For now.

And you must admit most unplanned pregnancies are the result of failing to take responsible action.

 

Yet you expect women to do it for free!!!!!!!!!


Maybe they feel that the fetuses life is not worth the suffering!

SEE, you want rights but don't want women to have them...


NOBODY is talking about selling organs...NOBODY but you who always segues off when backed into a corner...

 

SO WHAT!


You want to PUNISH everyone in the world who doesn't do what YOU consider responsible??? Wow, there's that ego thing growing larger...

A woman who gets pregnant is irresponsible to you and you ask why I think you hate women?

..and NO, an irresponsible person doesn't forfeit rights......being irresponsible is not a crime...


SO YOU want a person who drives too fast to give up their right to vote?

So you want people who eat irresponsibly to lose what, their right to bear arms??

 

Questar says:""" I guess the right is cool with violating responsible women's rights just so long as it's a relatively small number."""

And Dayton answers , OF COURSE! OF course it's OK to take away women's rights.....and then he can't figure out why I think he has no regard for women....

 

Sure, I'm fine with you making this choice. I mean, your fooling yourself if you think either is a choice exactly, but OK.

You always have this choice. But the law says you have to pay taxes, so sorry, you will have to pay those.

As long as you acknowledge the "danger" is less risk than driving your car, which you continue to do, then avoid them. Oh and if you don't get a vaccine and then get a disease which you pass on to others which then kills them, then you take FULL responsibility for your choice.

If you wish to overvalue your values, great. As far as I'm concerned, home schooling your kid puts them at a disadvantage that my kids will exploit. Do it.

 

Thanks Fox. Not bad ideas. We should look in to that.