Are religious people being opressed?

Where is this happening? I've never heard of this before.

 

Of course this is true if you're talking about a particular orthodoxy, and it always will be. The fact is that the Christian religion itself has been constantly changing since day 1. When those changes occur, the orthodox always say "It's the end of the world!" But soon enough the changes go through and become normal and become Christian.

Once I was in a church meeting, yes, an actual church group having a discussion. The topic, as always, in one way or another, was, "the world is going to hell in a handbasket." They were talking about the moral decay of people getting married and having sex so young.

I asked, "How old was Mary when she got married? How old was she when she had a child?"

The pastor answered, "She was probably about 14."

So I said, "She had a baby when she was 14? Between then and now, what changed?"

The Pastor attempted a half-assed answer, but no one else dared say a thing. They realized that maybe the world was not going to end. Either that or they decided I was Satan incarnate for holding a mirror to their hypocrisy.

Is this oppression? No. It's just people refusing to change when they need to change.

 

i am not suggesting. The article does, and i would like to know how do Christians feel about that?

 

Yet ...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs[/ame]

 

(1) A correct scientific answer to the question "How old was Mary when she married" is also "She was probably 99 years old". The normal answer is: "She was a young woman when she married".

(2) The decline of creativity, rationality, encultured emotions and humanity is a fact for me. The western world is not only loosing the christian religion it's loosing also fitness.

(3) I never discussed with any Christian or Nonchristian about that the world goes under if someone is marrying or not marrying in the right way or not. That's an infantile behavior. We would discuss maybe about the lack of inner happyness what forces people to do confusing, violent and/or dangerous things. God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can, and wisdom to know the difference.

And by the way: the orthodox Christians were right if you take a look to Arabia, North Africa or Turkey. The Christian churches in Turkey fro example are all dead or near death. The Christians in this area were erased from this planet.

http://youtu.be/DuXB1a3NBCw

 

This video is also not available in Germany. Another question: How old are you? I'm not your parents - I'm no one you ever met in your life. I'm no one you have only a little an idea about how this being is thinking. So please stop your completly senseless attacks against my person only because I'm a Christian.

http://youtu.be/nTRpfld45Pw

 

Yet scat porn is. Strange country.

'Another'? What was the first question?

Old enough to have been on the internet way longer than you, and to have seen much better trolls.

Say what?

What attacks? If you're going to accuse me of personal attacks, you'd better provide the evidence.

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I would advise staying on topic. This isn't humor and satire, okay?

Thanks,

Jiyuu-Freedom
Site Moderator

 

And would you also advise people not to accuse others of "sneseless attacks against my person only because I'm a Christian".

I don't appreciate being accused of something I haven't done.

Thank you.

 

In this country? Are you joking? Atheists can get religious expression struck from anywhere in public at any time right now.

 

Not really. Copyright problems I guess.

"What's your argument?" "What are you speaking about?"

Good grieve - Methusalix - here you are! And I thought we lost you in Brasilia some centuries ago.

You are attacking me with this video because you are thinking the message of the video is antichristian enough so it is able to hurt me in a psychological way. Some scenes in this film are indeed hurting me. For example the scene in this film s short tiem before the famous song "Always look on the brigth side of life" produced a feeling of suffer din frustation in me some years ago.

It's by the way also a growing problem of the western societeis that to try to hurt someone and to be a critics seems to become the same for more and more people.

http://youtu.be/9KsNCLjMgTM

 

Nope, I just like Monty Python.

I can't control how you feel.

 

I don't generally respond to my warnings. I will say that if anyone attacks another as I have seen, this thread will be short lived. I don't want to hand out any warnings or infractions or close this thread.

Lets keep it civil folks and stay on topic, please. Thanks again.

Jiyuu

 

You are also not able to control how two billion other Christians are feelign about, that Great Britain grows more and more in the role to become the most antichristian nation of the whole western world. Concrete example: Why for example is it not allowed that Catholics can become King of England but every Atheist or Muslim is allowed to become King of England and head of the anglican church? That's crazy, isn't it? It's also crazy to call Christian militant citizens of a second class - more worse than Muslims - if they don't like abortions and they are not ready to accept adoptions in so called homosexual families. It's not a joke of Monty Python I'm tyring to speak about in this context. We have really very serios problems in the western world - and the so called "Multi-Cultural-Way" of England seems to become more and more a wrong - maybe even dangerous - way.

http://youtu.be/2hZUZCoMKxA

 

Would it help you to feel less persecuted if everyone thought like you do?

 

Neither are you. Two billion Christians probably feel two billion different ways about most complex issues.

Yes, but it's a terrible example of Britain becoming more anti-Christian. It's an ancient law from the time when Christians were at war with each other in Europe. It remains as nothing more than a quirk of history. If a Catholic were in next line to the throne, I have no doubt a way around the law would be found. If an (open) atheist or Muslim were in line, I suspect there would be as muuch if not more trouble.

After all, some people honestly suggest Princess Diana was assassinated because she was going to marry a Muslim - absolutely ridiculous accusation of course but very telling about how some people think on this issue. Some of those people would consider themselves Christian.

Of course, the root problem is the establishment of the Church of England meaning the monarch is automatically the head of the Church and thus they have a strong interest who that would be.

 

You are not able to think like I am doing it. And maybe you would die if you would have to have my experiences and my thoughts. So it's maybe better you should think your own ways in your own thoughts - but if it is wrong what you are thinking then you are in danger to loose your life. And that's also a risk for everyone who would trust in you and your thoughts. Same with my thoughts. But mistrust is also no answer.

http://youtu.be/Q7TkyxVIfuk

 

I said to make clear that egocentrisms - even of whole nations - helps nothing. I'm myself are only a drop in an ocean - or better to say: a drop of water on his way back to his ocean.

Complexity and confusion are two very different things. Indeed I'm thinking the other waterdrops of my ocean are listening very carefully what I have to report and what I am thinking about.

Hm

Maybe you learned a lot about wars.

That's exactly the way I hate so much. Whatver a law says "we" will change it in the moment if our interests are in another way. I heard a short time ago only one contract with red indians ever was fullfilled in the American history - it was made from German seddlers with Comanche.

What king or queen of England do you think was no atheist? In Istanbul it's for example in this way that only a Turk has the allowness to become the leader of the greek orthodox church - what is the most influent position in all orthodox churches.

Diana?

What a nonsense - she was in the end a victim of her popularity. I remember for example when I said from time to time "I don't understand why they are saying 'lady die' if they were speaking about Lady Diana." I never felt comfortable when I heard this. If I had been in her position this had droven me completly crazy.

If it is not an accident, then it would not be the first murder no one is able to clear. Ther german history is full of mysterious deaths.

Why not?

I would not say so. The root problem is it that the most people like to do everything without feeling responsible. That's maybe why everyone in England loves the Queen. She's doing her job always under all circumstances.

http://youtu.be/zq06bmJLt-U

 

I'm not concerned about my own thoughts, I'm concerned about your feelings of being attacked and hurt by mere thoughts.

You clearly feel attacked (#31 and #36) and hurt (#36) by the fact that some people don't think like you do, so I'm simply asking if it would help you if all people thought like you.

 

No idea what you like to say. I don't think that you are a good psychologist or philosopher but a bad propagandist and ideologist. I don't love propaganda and ideologies - and I think it would be for sure better if more people would be philosophers and poets. But it would not be better for me if you would be a better philosopher and poet - it would be good for you.

http://youtu.be/4WBmqz_qh_o

 

Anobsitar,

Your last reply to me seems to have drifted way off topic. The point is that you failed to demonstrate that Britian is becoming anti-Christian or that religous people are being oppressed in general.

 

You are right ... better to say you are nearly right - but anyhow it makes not really a difference for me anymore wether it is right or wrong.

http://youtu.be/LiSPJAPl7qI

 

In my opinion, people of religion are oppressed more by people of a different religion than they are by secular humanists.

 

Oh? Look at the turn out for Pope Benedict's visit to the UK.

Take a gander at this:

http://www.atheists.org/religion

Now tell me that Dawkins, Hitchens, and Wells are really preaching tolerance rather than disdain and disrespect.

Of course, modern atheism is not anti-religious at all. Really?

 

And its trendy to claim you are oppressed or a victim.