Are vaccines actually causing variants?

The vaccinated have the same load in the nasal area but for much less time. The unvaccinated have a much higher load within the lower tracts

 

2.5% higher than what baseline figure? Higher than 1 in a billion?

 

I found this earlier today and what can I say but......

 

You hava a strange way of showing agreement

"If you have a stadium filled with 50,000 fully vaccinated fans, it will be a huge superspreader event. But, just blame it all on the unvaccinated."

 

The vaccine helps the body kill covid virus. The less virus the less chance of mutation. So no, vaccines DO NOT cause variants.

 

I am not going to lie to people to get them to want to be vaccinated. That is the difference between you and I.

 

Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread the virus. Therefore, it is downright stupid to require vaccine passports to enter establishments. Sports stadiums are now considering letting in only the vaccinated, IE letting in 50,000 fans who spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated do. It would be a superspreader event.

 

What? If a sports stadium lets in 50,000 only vaccinated people, it WOULD be a superspreader event. But, the left wouldn't even acknowledge that, they would blame all the cases in the city on the unvaccinated.

 

Are you an MD ? Are you a virologist? I am not. So I go with the advice of the CDC and my own Doctor. If this were a plot against humanity it would probably work like this; a virus is created by SOMEONE and the defense for this virus makes pharmaceutical companies rich from selling the "cure" . If so, to risk of not being vaccinated is still substantial. A virus could have escaped from a lab. So what? I vote for vaccination.

 

Mate - have you ever seen someone with Tetanus? I have so I am very very pro vaccine

 

I am overdue for my shot.

 

Are they telling you both sides of the vaccine story, or just one? They do everything they can to encourage vaccinations and deliberately sweep anything bad under the rug. Just one example is when people in both the Biden administration and Pelosi's office tested positive for Delta and a reporter asked them how many tested positive and their response was, the public doesn't need to know that information. That's because it might hurt their vaccination drive if that information got out. So, lie, and sweep it under the rug. There are many more examples of misinformation spread by the left.

 

Mate, I'm not going to lie to people to get them vaccinated. That is the difference between you and I.

 

Are vaccines actually causing variants?

In a sense that is true. It is about natural selection which is driven by mutation. When the virus which mutates constantly encounters antibodies the mutations that resist the antibodies are more successful than those that are not. We get more of the resistant strains of the virus and fewer of those that are not resistant. It is how evolution works and it works really quickly with viruses. So the antibodies, whether caused by a vaccine or natural immunity, allow resistant strains to flourish. That is why each year we get a new vaccine designed for last year's strain of influenza.

 

The greatest threat from COVID now is that a mutation can produce a vaccine resistant strain in the body of one of the thousands of unvaccinated carriers that remain. It is unlikely to the point of impossibility that such a strain could come from an vaccinated body. Masks and hygiene can protect us but a little, vaccines for everyone alone can save us from a nearly certain destruction.

 

You can't kill a virus because a virus is not an organism. It is a thing with RNA or DNA but no living cells. There is no reproduction without having infected a living cell. Vaccines do not cause variants. Evolution does that. The virus mutates constantly. Whenever a mutation produces resistance to antibodies, that mutation becomes more successful. Vaccines develop antibodies so we can say that they allow resistant variants to flourish while causing non-resistant variants to fail. Delta is an example of a resistant variant so it is more successful against antibodies.

 

If the alternative thesis is correct(which the scientific community should seriously look into.) then it means that vaccinations are giving the virus more hosts(ironically). People who might not have caught the virus were now 'vaccinated' and became breeding grounds for a new form of coronavirus. What to do about this is fairly tricky. I think the plasma therapies, and other antibody therapies should be used instead of the vaccine. If the name of the game is reducing symptoms, if other avenues can reduce symptoms as well as the vaccine can then we can use those alternatives and limit the amount of vaccination until we know what we're dealing with.

 

The bolded part is false.

 

So?

The spread of the virus to vaccinated people is innocuous as it produces no or only mild symptoms in them. The problem is the unvaccinated who offer thousands of vessels for mutations which may produce a vaccine resistant strain. We must vaccine enough people that the most virulent strains cannot exist within our population. This is what I understand herd immunity to consist of[/QUOTE]

 

You are posting a lot of nonsense. A vaccine does not increase variants. Variants are random mutations. And the current variant came from India before a vaccine was even used there

 

The vaccines have nothing to do with transmission or infection. They can't provide more hosts. They simply allow the body to develop antibodies to a virus it hasn't encountered before

Vaccines are generally quite effective. Some viruses like the corona viruses mutate constantly so the body produces more of any mutations that are resistant to the antibodies and that makes the vaccine obsolete or obsolescent rather quickly. Corona viruses mutate so quickly that it is virtually impossible to keep up with them. That is why we have never been able to completely eliminate a corona virus and why they return every season. Some people say that covid is engineered. If so then a corona virus would be the perfect subject to weaponize because of its lightning fast evolution. What we have now is a delta strain that isn't any more dangerous than other corona viruses but is way way way more contagious. Was it engineered? Only the Chinese know.

 

Actually all of it is false.

 

That’s false. Delta was identified in October or December and Phase 2 trials for the Indian vaccine began there earlier in July.

 

I'm not so sure that a mutation can't happen due to a vaccinated person because the vaccines really don't seem to work very well at stopping Delta, other than protecting us from severe disease. I think it is just as likely that a vaccinated person can create a mutation almost as much as an unvaccinated one.

 

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It's just not working.

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