ARE WE ENTITLED TO AN HONORABLE CONGRESS?

IF a people can't choose long term success, they are doomed.
The idea isn't useless, it's correct- but those who won't follow it can make it useless, the architects of their own demise. That's nothing to brag about; that is plain stupidity.

Should not be necessary to convince you to pursue the best for yourself. Should not be necessary to drag you kicking and screaming into the responsibility for your own future like you were a spoiled 5 year old.
The bricks- and the people- are mud until they are fired, or matured. When children are raised without sound guidelines, discipline and consequences- they mature physically- but they still think like children.

When they fire bricks- they don't ask; they send them through the oven. Those that crack are disposed of. People aren't bricks. They need to learn that strength over years from childhood to adulthood, and be willing to put themselves to the test- prove themselves to themselves to become fully adult. Courage is required. Those who lack it- remain blocks of mud, looking for an easy way to become part of something that will support them... while they do not support it.

If the child minds hold the majority of political power, they will sell the nation out from under themselves chasing the "free and easy" life promised them by corrupted leaders, in exchange for- their freedom and their future.

The liberals could do fine in a conservative world- and would have time to grow up. Nobody will grow up in a liberal world... and nobody except the con men running it would do fine. That's your future. It's a choice you make when you lack vision or courage. Those aren't things people can give you; they come from the inside. If you can'tt find them inside yourself- you're screwed.

 

Being sourced from a conservative or a liberal does not qualify or disqualify. What we need is- Good ideas that work, and raise the quality of life in society.

It's the mindset difference between conservatives and liberals that generates the imbalance in the quality of the ideas they produce-ideas that work, or ideas that are nonsense and don't. Regardless of that tendency- a good idea is a good idea. But "good" must be in the long-term sense- beneficial, fair, practical, sustainable.

 

ah yes.... the old rose tinted glasses syndrome....in an ideal world most views are an election cycle at best but in reality they are generally a news cycle. The kind of social engineering that the socialists want to achieve takes decades (in an idea world) the kind of socio-fiscal engineering conservatives want to undertake likewise take decades (in an ideal world). The issue is that we aren't in an idea world ergo the news cycle is the best were gunna get so unfortunately no matter what stripes you wear there is no long term planning and their is no grand plan...its just a monotonous lurching from headline to spin to crisis to spin.

 

I seem to remember the same arrogant thought process at work when whites compared whites to blacks....dem po' dumb black folks they just ain't lahk us.....yo Cletus, y'all ready wi'yo banjo....
Amazing how times don't change

Anyway back to the war
Toodles

 

You Aae aware that the primary position of demeaning black was from the democrats? No?
That the KKK was primarily a democrat institution?

Anyone, white black, high or low intelligence- can think straight if they have decent values. It's when they allow themselves to be programmed with BS values that they lose that ability.
Look around to see who is pushing the BS value lies, and it gets pretty clear the same people lacking the decent kind.

 

....decent values? What are "decent values"? Are these something only you think you may have? Are you defining these "values" for yourself and everyone else; I mean is this your version of a moral imperative that if not adhered to fails the test of reason? Anyway I have no idea what "decent values" means as I have no idea what your self defined values/moral are.
I suppose I think that the world needs tolerance; the ability and desire to listen and understand and then debate the rights and wrongs and compromise..a kind of utilitarian outcome if you will...the tone of you posting just seems to reinforce a sort of banal intolerance to any other alternative? Its like an evangelical crusade for the advancement of some "perpetual dilemma" having its foundation based on your own (intolerant) "decent values".

.....so engage and listen....stop preaching....life is vast array of grey tones not black and white.

 

WRONG.
I am more engaged than you can even suspect- and I hear the noise, the mindless excuses and whining.... but know that the chance of you hearing the solution to you condition is extremely unlikely.
Out of the obligation to all humanity, we try to keep the solutions in front of you; handwriting on the wall.... waiting for you to see the obvious.

While the spectrum of life is like a field of shades, the spectrum does extend from black to white- from worst to best. If you are a person with any character, any identity and system of values- YOU draw a line across that field, and divide it. Below the line is unacceptable to you, above it may be if conditions are suitable. That is YOUR black and white. Not societies, YOURS.

Now if you have no identity, no values, hold nothing sacred- ALL of your field is black, because without that line defining your value- defining you and what you stand for- you tolerate anything, stand for nothing, and have no value to contribute to a society. That makes you more like mud than a brick- weak, shapeless, useless. Nothing of any strength or durability can be built with mud. A society of such people is exactly like that person.... just a larger puddle of mud; not good for anyone including those in it, or those encountering it. It's like quicksand, if you jump in or fall in, it tends to hold you down.

There was a line in a song - "You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" And the fallen are - the mud people.
Stand up. Draw a line on the field. If you find that position is not good enough for you to respect yourself- move that line higher up.
First thing you have to do is stand up- and decide what you want to stand for.

You've been fooled, tricked into believing there is no bar, that values don't matter. The real reason some will con you into that is to destroy your resistance to morality... make you part of their mud puddle, creeping over the field of life to destroy everything of value which they don't want to exist, because values create standards those would show how they can't cut it in the real world.
Just this morning. Elon Musk explained in on a twitter quote.

 

Ok , so conservative has no interest changing their idea, no interest to convince others their idea is better. Conservative just want to call everyone Stupid, child like (what other adjective you added here let me see) “Spoiled 5 years old”, “without sound guidelines, discipline and consequences”, “"mature physically- but they still think like children."”,

Yep , that’s enough. Not interested at all with your “Holier then thou” philosophy. You guys can’t read “ writing on the wall” . Just like every other dinosaur in the history, conservative will die out.

 

Yes, again Elon is right. Yes, it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled.

 

Instead, you prefer to inhale BS?

Reality isn't a "holier than thou" game of illusion- it's knowing where you stand, what values you bring to the table. Your potential is probably as high as the next persons; everyone has the capacity to succeed in one way or another. But it's up to you to find that and use it, not the world to do it for you- and you have to start where you are at, not some imaginary point you would like to pretend you are at. That means getting real with self.

The metric, the measurement- is being successful. Not as I define that, but as you do. Unhappy people bitch and whine and blame others, but won't consider that they are where they are because of their own choices. Someone points out the reality of where that is- they respond with crap like "holier than thou" as justification for intransigence. If you refuse to stand up and support healthy things, you are detrimental to the society you are part of. That is a choice- your choice. Dodging the truth will not change it. It's not about me- it's all about you, about what you bring to the table.

Conservatives don't have any interest is diluting their values with yours- which is what you think is "changing their ideas"... so that you can be comfortable where you're at.
And I didn't tell you to accept my values- I told you to get some values that allow you to respect yourself for having them. Real respect, the kind you can feel in the dark regardless of what others say. Then you start to become a person with character.

Guys like me read you quickly and clearly. You need to learn to read yourself and accept instead of dodging it. Step up to the plate instead of demanding the plate come to you.

 

Liberal are succeeding .. Liberals are winning. As I said in last 32 years, only once republican won the election. Today any university you go, it is the liberal ideology teaching the next generation, you go to any teaching institute; elementary or university, majority of them are liberal. You go to Silicon Valley or Seattle or Twin City all the high tech industry run and liberals, Wall Street or Banking industry in Delaware run by liberals. Media, Hollywood, entertainment, sports, Health institute to scientific community influenced and run by liberals.

Only two institute in this country has more conservative then liberals, law-enforcement and military.

Only people are whining are the Rural White Voter. All day long, they complain that they can’t recognize their country any more, their country has been taken away from them by immigrants, undocumented, by liberals, by elitist. they need their country back.

You are right, conservative shouldn’t dilute their value. Let them die with the aging rural white voter. No university going to teach those value, no elementary school going to teach those value.

 

Well- is it true that the number of liberals have grown, but then historically, the number of people wanting to ride the wagon rather than push it is always greater; and given the opportunity, they will.
And just ask them, they will tell you that proves they are smarter.

So, you think if there are more people on a side, they must be on the right side.
So it must be success to be poor or lower income, failure to build wealth and security.
Success to have your marriages fail, failure to be in one that works and thrives.
Success to be a low-level employee all your life, failure to become a manager, CEO or owner.....
Success to be a whiner, failure to be a happy, thriving person.
Success to be a follower, failure to be a leader- unless you are a mis-leader.
Smarter to emulate from those who can't.... than lower yourself to asking those who can.
There are always a lot more losers than winners, so the losers must be the successful ones, right?
Why are all those "successful" people also the loudest whiners??

Sounds like you got it all right, and you deserve all that success you are earning.
That explains why despite the immense mental potential of humans, they are less successful in managing their own lives than every other living thing on the planet, all of whom have been a thriving success for millions of years without trashing the planet and using up all it's natural resources. And they all do something most humans don't understand- which is, they don't teach or embrace stupidity.

Liberals are bringing turd sandwiches to the box luncheon of life, because they don't know how to cook up anything better. Yep,. That's the taste of their kind of success.... chow down and enjoy.

 

Liberals control all the educational institute in the country.

Liberals control all the scientific institution in the country.

Liberals control all technology company in the country.

Liberals control majority of financial institute in the country.

Liberals control WH and Senate.

While republican complain “ We need our country back”

 

Liberals stands for value, but you don’t like those value.

Liberal stand for value; If you are a gay or transgender, you have every right to marry another gay or transgender just like I have marry a woman.

Liberal stand for value; If you open a business, you should abide by the law and provide service to everyone regardless of their sexual orientation or skin color.

Liberal stand for value: If you are undocumented immigrant but have been living in this country for 5-10-15 years, you are welcome in this country.

Liberal stand for value; If you are a young black man, you have every right to walk On the street without getting killed by police.

Liberal stand for value; if you are poor, if you are an addict, or committed crime, the government is there to help you to get out of poverty or addiction or re-build your life after you paid for your crime. You can’t see these value because you think poor are lazy, people who are addict, they are on their own, and those who committed crime, they don’t get 2nd chance.

 

AND THAT SHOULD TELL YOU WHY IT'S ALL GOING TO HELL... IF THEY WERE COMPETENT, THINGS WOULD. OR- CAN'T YOU FIGURE THAT OUT? WE KNOW THEY CAN'T

BIDEN JUST APPROVED GIVING HEALTH INSURANCE TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AS "EQUITY".

PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T KNOW- MORONS HAVE NO IDEA THEY ARE MORONS. AND YOU CAN BE HIGHLY EDUCATED AND UNDERSTAND NOTHING.

 

Liberal... stands for incompetence. Very little else, and certainly not the collection of fantasies you posted above. One of the truths is that many of those you think are liberals are also capitalists playing you for suckers.

 

Hi, I read your post with interest...I assumed that where your wrote "you" you actually mean "one" (as indefinite pronoun).

Your conclusion I found odd though. I think you may have inferred some form of bias or formed some sort of opinion which you've then taken to task - would I be correct in that? In general though, and I think I've already pointed this out earlier, but you don't actually make any allowance for the reader; you introduce concepts like "you've been fooled...that values don't matter" yet there is no definition of what these values are who is being conned and by whom? It would make more sense if you expressed your worries and concerns in a more expansive manner. If you are referring to me then obviously I'd like to know what, where who and when....if nothing else that allows me a window into your though process.

The issue with that concept is that it encapsulates the very systemic problems that now exist within the political framework...its lacking in clarity and vague....it sounds strong and I'm sure it would get some woots (from an American audience) but intrinsically its meaningless...its clickbait rhetoric. It's very difficult to say any more at this stage.

One thing a did read above though...

I'm sure the person you made the comment to will revert to you on it but...I'm getting the feeling that it's just a sort of odd tit for tat ideological escalation as if you feel that "liberals" are a fundamental enemy of "the people" would that be right? I don't agree with all of @Endeavor 's thoughts but the vast majority contain merit worthy of more thought than you have or want to given them. Maybe instead of escalating, try and discard your own filters and think about possible merits and how they may work within your world of "values"? I suppose the alternative is a tremendous danger to society in that it encourages.... indeed entices one into state of blinkered intransigence.

 

Liberals perceive themselves as granting freedom and entitled rights to others. However, that means as they see them, and in their assumption they know best on everything, they don't give a damn about how others see them. They create nothing, destroy nearly everything functional and leave chaos in their wake. now if that's what you want to live, that is your privilege- but you do not have the right to impose it on the collective of society. The fact they don't see it changes nothing. The fact they refuse to use rational metrics and values to examine their positions does; it creates people so short- sighted they will wreck tomorrow while telling themselves how great and important what they do today is. These are the people who cook the golden goose for dinner so they can tell themselves how they provide a feast for the hungry people today.

Individual values do matter- but so do values of the collective society. Liberals pick some singular incident, look for a way to make it definition of society overall. They ignore the facts of it that diminish their position. That's at best a fraud on the people- including themselves.

A young black man has the right to walk the street without getting killed by police. True. doesn't mean mistakes won't happen, and the fact a mistake happens hardly indicts the entire concept of police.
That takes your point and reduces it's validity about 90% because you purposely ignored those things.

You also ignored the fact that by far- the person most likely to kill that young black man, or any black person- IS A BLACK PERSON.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 4X their population share. Most of the people they kill- are black people.
Black people kill white people at about double the rate white people kill black people.
In terms of general violence in society- a white person is 42 times as likely to be the victim of a felony assault by a black person, ad a black person is to be the victim of that by a white person.

ALL OF THAT YOU IGNORE. That is not a blanket condemnation of black individuals- it's a statement of fact on the state of the black community culture.

Half a story, even when totally true- is invariably a lie. Liberals tell themselves the are trying to "fix" something- and the ignorance of the rest of the facts has them botching the overall job.
If they do look up the statistics in advance- which I doubt- they then consciously choose to dismiss aspects which prove them wrong.
THAT IS INCOMPETENCE. And sadly, it's consistent among them- educated or not, in power or not. It's a psychological barrier.

 

Yes .. we have been through this.. you saying "this is not about abortion" .. then rambling on about abortion.. repeating the same demonstrably false fallacies - in relation to abortion. For example -- assumed Premise that a zygote is a living human .. a person with rights... including the right to life..

Your claims about the mighty zygote are both unsupported claim and purile nonsense given how many times you have been corrected.

Repeating your claim -- as if repetition of claim constitutes proof of claim .. is also purile nonsense.

 

If you keep on the current path there won't be any museums to visit. Everything worth stealing have been stolen and the buildings themselves

Talk about nonsense referring to something by a stage in its life that it occupies for well less than 24 hours in its life is absurd. You might as well call your grand dad a zygote it's every bit as appropriate.

 

[QUOTE="garyd, post: 1073907277, member: 59458"
Talk about nonsense referring to something by a stage in its life that it occupies for well less than 24 hours in its life is absurd. You might as well call your grand dad a zygote it's every bit as appropriate.[/QUOTE]

You are the one talking nonsense... I didn't say anything about a stage in in life.. and I have not made any claims .. other than stating your defacto claim is preposterous nonsense .. then proving that claim true .. unlike what you do .. repeating your premise over and over .. as if that constitutes proof of claim.

You claimed a zygote was a Person .. with rights .. including the right to life .. I have simply stated that you have not presented any support for this claim .. thus completing your assumed premise fallacy. Why should anyone accept this nonsense as true ? you be talking about some grand-daddy zygotes .. sugar plum fairies next on the list no doubt.

 

You are the one talking nonsense... I didn't say anything about a stage in in life.. and I have not made any claims .. other than stating your defacto claim is preposterous nonsense .. then proving that claim true .. unlike what you do .. repeating your premise over and over .. as if that constitutes proof of claim.

You claimed a zygote was a Person .. with rights .. including the right to life .. I have simply stated that you have not presented any support for this claim .. thus completing your assumed premise fallacy. Why should anyone accept this nonsense as true ? you be talking about some grand-daddy zygotes .. sugar plum fairies next on the list no doubt.[/QUOTE]
Utter nonsense. Bye now...

 

You are the one talking nonsense... I didn't say anything about a stage in in life.. and I have not made any claims .. other than stating your defacto claim is preposterous nonsense .. then proving that claim true .. unlike what you do .. repeating your premise over and over .. as if that constitutes proof of claim.

You claimed a zygote was a Person .. with rights .. including the right to life .. I have simply stated that you have not presented any support for this claim .. thus completing your assumed premise fallacy. Why should anyone accept this nonsense as true ? you be talking about some grand-daddy zygotes .. sugar plum fairies next on the list no doubt.[/QUOTE]

What kind of jarbled misquoted gibberish is this mate .. You need to try again.. you were trying to explain your claim that a zygote is a person with rights .. including the right to life..

 

I'm not sure of the figures but certainly the situation is not that dissimilar in the UK.
The issue though is what one does about that? The goal should be to reverse that situation surely otherwise....you get this.....

...it's a very telling statement but are you sure you mean that? Or is this a confrontational statement designed for impact purposes only? Do you think it helps boxing peoples into group identities in order to make judgements based on venn diagrams?

....isn't that what you just did....? Defined a group with one metric; defined black community culture as a function of crime.

I agree but you can't collectivise them and assume them as a priori or mandatory to all. Values differ from person to person which is one of the issues with group identity politics where arbitrary people ascribe labels to groups in order to define their status and indeed in some cases their heirarchy. To some extent this assumption of collective values has led to politics in the UK being basically moribund where you have two parties of essentially sharing the same manifesto but just fiddling a bit at the edges because they don't want to piss any minority group off too much....anyway back to work

 

The figures are from the FBI's crime database, which are very detailed. Legitimate numbers. If you want to confirm the, start with this page-
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

And, I meant what I said; it's a reflection of the state of culture in the black community. Not genetics, culture. Values absent or unjustified beliefs about things shape personality and character. 70% of black children in America are living in single parent homes- absent fathers. The result is a lack of role models, financial stress, parental struggle, inter-family violence, frustration- and too often, the blaming of that condition on white society rather than the weakness of family structure and conduct in the black community. Laws can punish, but they cannot make anyone voluntarily want to be responsible or care about their impact on the lives of their own children. That's not just technically correct, any rational person can understand the cause and effect here. To fix anything, you have to understand what's happening first.

The individual can fall anywhere in the spectrum. But the collective, together, create a position as well, and there is no way that can be ignored. Any common identifier will have impact on all in a group, and that's not prejudice- it's common sense. IF black dogs were 10 times more likely to bite than yellow dogs- you would be wary of black dogs. That is the collective characteristic. If the conditions were reversed, you would be wary of yellow dogs. Individuals have identities- groups have identities, and the group identity is a composite of the individuals. That winds up imposing a sometimes unfair burden on the best of them- and cutting slack for the worst of them. I don't think that can be separated. Society has acted very strongly in America to eliminate the blanket racial.discrimination connected to color. It cannot eliminate the cultural issues; only the black community can do that, but the insistence that everything wrong is the result of racism only keeps the chains of culture in place. If you study some history, you would find that the primary culprit they blame today- slavery- was actually a common practice in Africa for a thousand years before Europeans ever arrived there. White people weren't capturing slaves, black people were capturing and selling them. That tells you that the black culture was comfortable with abusing it's own people long before any western influence entered into it. This is of course a huge problem- and will not be improved in any way by lowering the bar so that black misconduct is considered acceptable because they are black- and that is something being pushed by the liberal agenda in America.

No, I did not pick one metric, and I think you know that. I described the balancing elements that you had ignored. My original point was that a rational evaluation of a situation must include all the relevant factors.
If you are raised in a violent situation, you think violence is a normal social tool to get what you want. That's culture, you learn traits by the way those around you use them as you grow up.
The crime level in the black community is the result of the culture- not the other way around. Culture can be changed by those who compose it anytime they choose to- but it will take decades, and broad awareness of the way this is affecting them and their future. However, until they recognize the connection and start down that path- nothing will change. I've known some really fine black people as well as some on the other end of the spectrum. I know this isn't a genetic thing. It's also not consistent in all countries, because the black culture varies across countries.

One thing you can't do is manipulate the relevant facts and still find a viable answer. The next is that the answer to black culture issues cannot be corrected by the white community. Behavior is the result of personal decisions, and those usually, or properly, based on understanding of facts and your own role. I don't have the power to make your decisions, nor you mine- so regardless of what I do or why, I am responsible for the decisions I make. True for everybody.