ARE WE ENTITLED TO AN HONORABLE CONGRESS?

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    They can call themselves whatever they like, things like that only effect the weak minded.
     
  2. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It makes a difference to you, or you would be all over Biden like white on rice.... YOU fail to read what YOU write.
    Nothing new about you thinking selective applications of values is ok; been watching you do it every time you post.

    You have nothing of value to contribute to this thread. Take the Trump-Maga-Republican-Conservative hate pitch somewhere else.
     
  3. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And anyone with an opinion like that gives up any entitlement to respect, because you judge people by your political preferences. Any group of people who become so obsessed with hate they can't see beyond it anywhere has nothing to contribute to a healthy society. Just toxic thinking.
     
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    Yes, and the myths are what they create. They're self-serving nonsense like saying communists are fascists. Even if someone points out Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Pinochet et al secured support from capitalists to overcome revolutionary socialists, they still cling to their fiction that socialists are fascists.

    I can see where they get their nonsense when I look at rightwing websites like NewsMax that ape real news sources. My wife can't stand the ranting, but I got on Pluto and showed her some of the extreme right news sites. Her comment? "They don't have any reporters!" Bingo.
     
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  5. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are some people who are frankly unable to rise above the petty BS that you see here. It's not with reason, it's from the desire to disrupt, the idea that you win some kind of point by trashing other things- basically like vandalism. These people don't really make much difference here, because anyone who actually gives a damn about the quality of their own life will see this as very positive thing.
    There are NO political endorsement or benefit for any person or party or issue involved- it's all about choosing between the people you send to congress actually doing their job, or screwing you over.
    Never expected such there wouldn't be hecklers and the like. Just as we have people at the top of the class, there is always a bottom. That's a choice they make.
    By the way- if we succeed, those people won't have any impact on the way it works.
     
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    Off course we judge people for their political preference. If political preference is racism , demonizing people because of their sexual orientation, then no , I have no respect for them. And I really don’t care for if they respect me or not. We finally came to a crossroad in America that conservative ideology can’t go one. It has to end! And it has to end by democratic process. We will make conservatism irrelevant Election after Election! As I said, GOP has 10 years to change, if not , no GOP candidate will ever win Presidential election after 2032. By 2036 GOP will never win majority in congress.
     
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    Holy Carp what nonsensical lack of understanding.. What in the constitution is being violated ? other than a woman's bodily autonomy ?

    hopelessly lost -- and in serious need of directions .. blammering on about Bureaucracies as if this has something to do with your violating the constitution claim.

    What part of "Life" do you not understand ... don't be tarring me with your abject failure ... absolutely no clue what you are talking about obviously already .. no one uses that term so loosely in abortion debate .. What part of A Cow is Alive .. did you not understand .. went deer in headlights the first 3 times .. and you like to eat cows don't you ? Strawberries are also alive .. in case you failed grade 1 Biology.

    Can't way for you to support this claim mate .. see the cross your position is crucified on already ... been there .. done that .. and way too many T-Shirts.

    So begin digging own grave por favor :)
     
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    That actually say it all! Take Fetterman, Feinstein, old Hank Johnson and ByDummy as four examples of the Democrat party favorites :)
     
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    And it is beginning to shift actually to be sure but the race card and the fascist card are slowly beginning to become devoid of real meaning thanks to leftist idiots. Look at America's big blue cities. How much longer will people put up with poverty and homelessness just because leftists lie about the other side. Trump nailed it dead to rights when he said to the NAACP What have you got to lose?

    Maybe your kids getting murdered on the way to school because Soros funded DAs won't take criminals off the street. Maybe there be stuff in the store to buy because it isn't being stolen quicker than it can be stocked. Maybe you could find a decent job if the merchant weren't being run out of business buy shop lifters.
     
  10. garyd

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    We've covered this before this thread isn't about abortion. Like it or not your bodily autonomy doesn't give you the right to murder another and the child in the womb is as much a human being with inalienable rights as you or I. You have never proven other wise nor will you. And that in the grand scheme of things is a damn side show in any case.
     
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    Sure it is .. but if not ... then why did you pick abortion out and comment on it ... claiming violation of constitution . something an honorable congress would not do
     
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    People who don't falsify accusations for political needs

    Free speech doesn't give you the right to knowingly defame. But of course, you wouldn't know that.

    You don't need an amendment to pass a federal law on Treason. OMG lol

    There are no other agencies that do what they do.

    All you would have is a few people to handle the banking. Compliance is already enforced by employers taking the money directly from payroll.
    How many employers do you know would risk losing their business by not providing employees taxes when they already do it now. lol

    Again, you don't know what free speech is, Limiting advertising and rallies has nothing to do with free speech. Colleges do it every day lol

    For anyone with an education over the 10th grade, its pretty simple to know if a bill is written for one item or several.
    Why would that be so hard for you to figure out?

    Who determines who's going to be charged now? In most worlds, the people committing crimes are charged.
    Again, why is this magically a problem for you?

    So the benefits start working immediately.
    When the left doesn't want to be held accountable, they flee. Good for everyone.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Because you began it.
     
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    Yes .. because it matters .. you showed you complete lack of undersanding .. claiming abortion was a violation of the constitution .. yourself guilty of voting in such dishonorable in congress .. as the reverse is true .. Law banning abortion is the violation .. the corruption of the constitution ..
     
  15. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Either you don't know what a conservative is- or you fully intend that America, the place you live, the vessel you depend on- should be destroyed.
    I have no idea where your thinking is really based, but that makes little difference.
    If you are fully programmed by the liberal/democrats, then you are being used and manipulated, and you have unknowingly allowed it.
    If you arrived at that position on your own, then I would say you are probably one of those who lack the capacity to stand on your own merits and sell out to the illusion that the only reason for your failures is someone else's success. That someone who has more is the reason you have less... thus none of the injustice you feel has come to you is your fault. That's a back door to escape responsibility.
    Laying down is easy. Takes strength and courage to stand up for yourself honorably- and that is a choice all people have to make.

    I know that every human has the capacity to succeed- but also that a substantial number of people lack the courage to do that; to find themselves and take control of their own lives and make the most of it.
    Lacking that, their usual path is to deny responsibility for that duty and blame others by individual, or group such as wealth, religion, political philosophy- as their oppressors. That relieves them of responsibility for themselves, lets them tell themselves they are victims, and therefore justifies punishing, demonizing and making demands of those they blame it on.

    While every philosophy has it's flaws, conservatives are the last to deprive you of the right to succeed- and also the last to promise you things that can't be delivered- the last to tell you that lowering the standards we live by will benefit our society- and the last to do for you what you should be doing for yourself. It is however the philosophy which encourages and supports self-respect, individual strength and freedom and the values that make people strong- and happy. These are the polar opposites of the liberal values. You have to work for those things; the idea they are free and will be given to you is the lie the liberals love.... it sucks people in, but never comes true. If you can't cut it or you have been programmed that way you will probably embrace the positions tht the democrats have aligned themselves to- liberalism, socialism, progressives, marxism, etc. The easy-way-out promises. Sucker bait. A lot of todays conservatives evolved out of that quik-sand pit, and understand it well.

    BUT if you want to be free and have control of your own destiny- you eventually must become conservative. And you know as a conservative that you must give the same rights you hold for yourself to all others, and allow them to make up their own minds too.
    That is the life philosophy that you think must be destroyed. In fact, it's the only philosophy that can save you from yourself.
     
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    Democrat Politicians, pretend to be about Love, but all they do is divide America, by spreading hatred, and calling Republicans Racists. If democrats stopped calling Republicans racists on a regular basis, there would be a lot less discrimination in general in America, and a lot less division. and a lot less hate.

    Discrimination and Racism go hand in hand. But it is also Discriminatory to judge whites based upon their skin color as well. it is also racist. It's also Discriminatory to Judge a Republican, simply because we chose to be a Republican.
    The Democrat Media, and Democrat Politicians are very Discriminatory against anyone, that basically doesn't line up with their Agenda.

    and that from a Psychological strategic stand point is genius. Because It's the analogy, of they win no matter what.
    not moral, but genius.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And of course, those things are true.
    Many people seem to forget that equality is not an automatic thing; that conduct controls the perception of what is right.and deserved. To be seen as a valuable person you need to behave as a valuable person. That applies regardless of color individually, but on the larger scale as a segment of society as well. The real metric to reach for is meritocracy, the ability to do, to contribute, to produce, and do so honestly. These are the things that make a society strong, and what makes a person or the group they are part of seen as valuable. Businesses will gladly provide stores or services to a safe, healthy community- but it's only common sense to avoid unsafe, unhealthy ones. The hostility that comes with the accusations and of racism and the attacks alleging something like fascism does not improve relations or attract participation; it drives those things away away, and that is appropriate, not discrimination.
     
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    True- but the win is short-term; sooner or later that has to come full circle and cost you dearly. I guess it depends on fooling enough of the people all of the time, and that is unlikely to last.
     
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    well, their discrimination has lasted decades already, and do you see it slowing down any time soon?

    I don't see it happening. I see it getting worse, more than likely. Because now, the Right/Republicans are helping push their narrative, especially our media.

    I mean, the republican media, has gone really far to the left. Too far, and that was part of the plan that was intended from the start.

    For us to become as radical as they're. That is what the Democrat Politicians want.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would hope that people would begin to realize that the strategy of pushing racism accusations will wind up resurrecting racism. Because this is promoting some pretty abusive behavior, those pushing it will be seen in a very negative light. We've spent over 60 years removing racism from society- and yet we have some politicians and some black leaders fighting not only to keep it alive, but to actually validate it. Bad plan, to say the least.
     
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    Democrat Politicians, and their lackies, and Agenda pushers want to divide America. It's part of their Socialist Agenda.
    One of the basic core principles they have is Racism. then they branch out from there. Abortion, goes back to racism. how? who has the most abortions in general? black women.
    Racism. Trans, LGBT qrstuvwxyz. Without the core of Racism, they could not promote as well, or as easily.

    The list goes on and on. They have to have something to always run back to, just incase Americans actually start pushing back against their radical Socialist Agenda.
    Because everyone is to afraid to touch the subject of racism. They don't want to be labelled it, or get fired from their job for not going along with what they are forced to.

    Forced. Big Government, Racism. Anarchy, Socialism, Racism.

    No Choice, Racism.
    If Republicans some how could get the majority of the black vote on a regular basis, I wonder if that would possibly force the liberals to change up their strategy and ultimately stray away from their core of Racism?????
     
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    Well, there may be sufficient numbers of those types to cause a problem for your success. You have said earlier in the thread that you need ~75% support from The People. What if those sorts of people comprise larger than 25%?

    A number of people here have said things that make me believe that you may have a problem. When people say they can never vote for any candidate that Trump has endorsed, or expressed a view that it would be a good thing if democrats achieve a one party rule, this is trouble for you. These are the sorts of people who will not even consider anything put forth by a conservative or a republican, simply because they were not proposed by a democrat. I'm not sure how pervasive these extreme views are amongst the actual voting public.
     
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    No, a misperception. I knew plenty of competent, honorable people working in education. I also met a lot of honest, decent people working in local government. I also met some people in teaching who shouldn't have lasted a year but were around 30 years later. This sort of unjustified business hubris is destructive as well as unwarranted.

    I spent a career in teaching helping good teachers have the courage to teach the truth to their students. All too often, someone on the outside came along with their agenda, thinking they could push teachers around. One guy didn't like me showing students a film about drug addicts in Vancouver, BC.



    I was street proofing high school girls (maybe your daughter...?) against being groomed by pimps with free drugs. This guy got all snotty because he just figured out his 16-year-old son was smoking pot. He didn't want the school talking about drugs. Period. Mr. Ostrich.

    Virtue isn't the sole purview of the public.
    Reminds me of the political science prof who came to a community meeting of people opposed to a two square mile, $2b garbage dump plan for our community. The prof wanted us to prepare a "brief" for the council (which he would deliver, of course) while we wanted to hold a community meeting.

    He came out with his 16-page brief after we held a huge community meeting, invited the council to the meeting, and had 800 people convince them we really didn't want a dump. I bet the prof would have fit right in with you guys "seeking a solution" for the past fifteen years. All talk, no action.

    BTW, I doubt you read this post because you said you put me on "ignore." Maybe someone else will read it and see how absurd your claims and BS are.
    Fifteen years of meeting with each other. Ho hum. "Think tank?" :roll: :roll: :roll:
    Uh huh. You're dispensing your wisdom and "can do" attitude to the forum.
     
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    How about honorable Republican Party leadership?

    How to understand Trump? That is easy. He is an egotistical sociopath who simply doesn't care, and he could not care less for the Republican Party. He blames the GOP for his reelection loss. In his mind, the loss certainly was not his fault.

    The Republican base, largely educationally-challenged rural voters, mostly farmers, farmhands, shopkeepers, and small town folk, are in the process of destroying their own party with their infatuation with Donald Trump.

    CNN reports, "Donald Trump is facing a flurry of criticism on Capitol Hill, with Republican fury growing over their failure to take back the Senate and GOP leaders are at odds over their strategy of the former president still maintaining a dominant hold on the party.

    "The GOP reckoning comes in the wake of the party leaving another critical Senate seat on the table – Georgia – and seeing Democrats expand their majority to 51-49.

    "Hours after Trump’s hand-picked candidate, Herschel Walker, failed to pick up a Democratic seat, the blame game began in earnest – in large part directed at the former president. Many argued that the party establishment must take a heavier hand in the 2024 election cycle and root out unelectable Republicans even if they’re backed by Trump. Others said the GOP needs to embrace early voting and wholly reject Trump’s demagoguery of mail-in voting, something that helped power Democratic victories.

    "And some top Republicans said the party’s refusal to reject Trump as their standard bearer – combined with the 2020 election denialism that is central to his platform – ultimately did them in and will cost them again in future cycles."

    Note: It is being suggested that rural voters should find out what is happening in their world, not limiting their view of the news to simply The Farm Report.
     
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    Uh again no the destruction of life is an affront to the constitution.
     

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