"Arrogant Atheists"

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  1. speedingtime

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    Why are atheists supposedly more arrogant then theists, according to some Christians?

    I've seen much more Christians trying to shove their beliefs down others throats then Atheists. And how is believing that you and a select group of people are going to heaven while everyone else burns in hell not considered "arrogant" in comparison?

    Discuss.
     
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    Because we boldly stand in opposition to what they fear greatly.
     
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    Atheist dont fear some devil, or hell, or even the god you may be begging too.

    The reason the religious wingnuts are so rude, is they do not sustain a sense of personal responsibility; they believe god wants them to defend their beliefs, no matter how command they break. ie.... religious wingnuts are often the most corrupt across the board.

    Or how about my claim:

    The best example of anti-christs can often be found by observing christians

    the reason; they begin their belief by lying to themselves just to practice their faith (jesus aint god but they tell themselves that within the creed)
     
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    That's a lie -- especially when it comes to internet forums.

    But then again, why should we expect an atheist to tell the truth? Where's the motivation? :twisted:
     
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    Let me recount a few choice phrases that have been lobbed at me by atheists.

    I am routinely called a liar. A troll. An uneducated moron. A man blind to science and reason.

    I have also been told, though less regularly, that my faith commands me to kill (excuse me, actually murder), rape, enslave, lie, and that my faith alone has caused all the world mystery.

    Worse, when we educate those who spew this nonsense about the reality of our faith - we are told that we are wrong - that atheists understand our faith better than we do. How is that NOT arrogant?

    So let me rmeind the atheist community why I came to this section of the forum. Three atheists were literally chasing a Christian around the forum to denounce and insult her. I was shcoked not only at the behavior, but the tone and simple falseness of the faith that was being spewed. Should have been easy to come in and correct the miseducation correct?

    Nope.

    I was attacked from the get go, my character (from people who had never met me) was aassinated, I was subjected to deliberate flame bait, had several atheists gang up and attempt to have me banned .... for correcting things like the Jesus Myth, for correcting statement like we are NOT commanded to murder and rape.

    Atheists are always very concerned about how oters are seen, but I would ask atheists to take a good hard look at how they are seen. Too often these perceptions are swept away in the hand wave of 'bigotry' toward atheists - but the simple fact the matter is that the public perception of atheists is a bunch of arrogant know it alls with little or no ability to listen or tolerate. Indeed, most profressional theologians classify atheism as self whorship - the highest form of arrogance.

    The challenge for atheists is to take a good hard look at the perceptions and see what part of that is true and what part is not. Some, unfortuantely, is right on the mark. And atheists would do well to change the perception by doing something more than denyig it, or saying, "Well, we are not as bad as some others." Yes, you are.
     
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    Militant Atheists are mean-spirited in my opinion. They have a hatred against Christianity. And yes...I do tend to see militant atheists as vain, egotistical, arrogant....contemptuous and dismissive of people who have beliefs not their own.

    Not all... because not all Atheists on this forum strike me that way. Mainly confined to the Atheist evangelists that start threads regarding religion.

    And as far as being arrogant...I think its interesting that there are many belief systems out there that think I'm going to hell, or I won't have an afterlife. And yet.....I'm not obsessed by it.
     
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    Well, I certainly don't deny that there are plenty of arrogant atheists who think that they are "better" then the religious among us, such as the ones in your experience might have. However, since we are talking about personal experiences now, I've found that some Christians seem to over-exaggerate that arrogance because they are sensitive to having their beliefs questioned. I think it's because they realize that their beliefs rest on nothing but pure faith. Often, fundamentalists are some of the most arrogant people on earth. They sit from their bully pulpit and rave about fire and brimstone punishments for the heretics. Luckily, most Christians aren't like this and are fine and caring people.

    Well, they are wrong, and I don't know why you'd trust "professional" theologians anyway. I'm sure if an Atheist said something similar about Christians they'd be branded as "arrogant."
     
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    Because they're Christians and that is thier "side".
    I think the most arrogant of Christians are the Calvanists.

    They believe they are saved from birth no matter what they do or don't do.
    It's all been pre-determined and life is just a pre-set play with the winners (saved) and losers ((*)(*)(*)(*)ed) just going through the motions.
     
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    Me experience has been EXACTLY the opposite.

    Many, indeed most Christians are quite eager to answer questions anout their faith - indeed, highlighted above, you see what happens when we try to explain that we are NOT commanded by God to murder and rape people (which is self evident).

    However, atheists, for all their profession in skepticism and logic, do not like it when their beliefs are questioned. Indeed, this very thread, and teh responses that, "Well, more Christians are arrogant than us!" does not indicate that said person is open to counter-questioning or in genuine reflection of their own position.

    The simplest demonstration is the constant diatribes from atheists about evidence. The simple fact is that, scientifically, the proof for God is inconclusive. That is why we call it faith. Yet when most atheists are asked for proof, at best, they can come up with an arguement that no more conclusive then ours. At that point, rather than admit this, most atheists get very, very angry.

    It is at those points where I am referred to as a liar, a troll, a charlatan, and insulting bafoon, a moron, a rejecter of science, and a rapist.

    And those responses to questioning do not sound like what you would hear from someone who does well with having their positions challenged.

    Again, it is the ... someone is worse than us mentality, but I am wondering when atheists will pay mind to perceptions of their own beliefs and teh conduct of their own actions in feeding these perceptions.

    Again, not all atheists are bad, but, unlike Christianity, it seems the atheist version of the Westboro Baptist Church has stolen the pulpit and few atheists seem to care.

    Eventually, I promise you, they will.

    If you doubt me, take a look at the previous post. Does that look like an atheist who is challenging his own conceptions? Or is he blaming Christians?

    Does the fact that there are arrogant Christians eliminate arrogance in atheists? I have stated this repeatedly to atheists on this form, you are not freed of fault by finding fault in others. All that really makes one is a hypocrite.
     
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    There are a few sarcastic atheists like Bill Maher that make others look rude. Really, the problem is that many American atheists are worried about admitting their atheism, so the few that you hear about are the most vocal.
     
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    can you contribute to this thread aside from bashing atheists over and over ?
     
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    wow......

    what a load of crap.

    From christian science, to christian dating, to selling religious garbage, to even baptisms for sale...................... that post you made is so deep in BS, times 1,000 that i cant even believe you had the yahoos to post it.
    another wow.......

    wingnuts like you, are required to lie to yourself just to be accepted by your peers.

    An atheist itself is labeled 90% of the time by a false witnessing theist not to mention the atheist is being responsible to themselves in the exact context of not lying to themselves, to even be considered a bonafide atheist.

    Of all the liars on this earth, about half are the down mouth women and that aint even taking into considering the stupid men

    the motivation is that some people are not willing to lie to themselves while the idiots do, just to be accepted by the other idiots.

    it is like joining a KKK group or a chosen ones gang, they have to tell themselves they are better than or accepting that they are 'x' to even be a part of the gang itself.

    kind of like, bigots are bigots because they choose to be.
     
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    Can you stop making excuses?

    Or did you not see the cirtique? Atheists are perfect, anyone who disagrees MUST be a bigot - the criticism cannot be true?

    Or, after calling someone a rapist and a murderer, to deliberate miscastigate their faith, do you really expect people to turn around and NOT disagree with that?

    Nope, you are victim - like all atheists.

    How about you back up your claim and demonstrate that atheism does NOT have an arrogance problem?
     
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    at least some people are being honest with you

    if you read the religious doctrine, then you are supposed to do a bunch of that stuff.

    it is kind of like the idiots picking on the muslims for what their doctrine claims. The literature is pretty whacked and if you were to follow them words are if 'by god', then you would have lots of murder on your hands.

    perhaps because you cant read your literature and the people you label as atheist, have read it.

    perhaps it is that cherry picking of what you like that makes the wingnuts look like hypocrits and them people that you label an atheist, keep pointing it out to you.

    hence them parts above, make sense
    denounce?

    is there a she god, that we all dont know about?

    But then i must recant; mother nature is god to all that exists, and that he must be the SHE you be talking about, right?

    but if you aint learning, then your miseducation aint improving

    Nope.

    i can see why

    that's already been done

    matt 16: 20 Then did he charge his disciples that they may say to no one that he is Jesus the Christ.

    John 14:28 ye heard that I said to you -- I go away, and I come unto you; if ye did love me, ye would have rejoiced that I said -- I go on to the Father, because my Father is greater than I.

    How is that?

    From the inquisitions to the creation of israel to osama bin laden and 911................ the religious wingnuts are just NUTs on most every front imaginable!


    And we all have you to witness, that some will die to lie!
     
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    Why is it assumed that atheists are arrogant? Because all they've seen of the universe is one planet circling one of billions of suns in the Orion arm of the Milky Way galaxy. And even their understanding of this planet is limited to what their 5 senses tell them and even that they misinterpret; looking upon pure genius and calling it chance. They are arrogant because they assert that the vast majority of people on this planet are wrong about the existence of God and they know better.

    Humility, a virtue that will always escape them, however, is an honest acknowledgement of one's limitations. Humility realizes that we are finite beings living abbreviated lives. Our years are few and we haven't lived to see the foundation of this earth. We haven't travelled the expanses of the universe. Our only grasp on reality is limited to what our 5 senses tell us and there is nothing to refute the concept of realities beyond our dim perception.

    Agnostics are closer to God because they at least have humility to know what they don't know. But how can atheists be saved in their invincible pride?
     
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    I consider myself an agnostic because I realize that in the end we just can't know. However, I won't deny that I'm leaning towards the atheist position more so then religious, because all "Atheist" means is lack of a deity.

    That just sounds odd. It sounds like your saying is that the majority is always right and that the minority just needs to sit there and take it.
    Well...
     
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    Maybe you're told that because you are blind to science, uneducated and you lie?
     
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    5 senses? Is this ancient Greece or something?
     
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    Yep, straight A's in science through college, and college education, advanced degrees and published works indicate both a lack of education and dishonesty.

    Do we understand why people think that atheists running around saying things like this just might be a 'little' arrogant?

    To assume right off teh bat that people are uneducated and do not understand sceince? That they lie?

    How does that not define arrogance in action? Not that I expect a thoughful answer mind you.
     
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    I think it is because we are not afraid to call nonsense.

    I have little interest in pandering to completely ridiculous views.
     
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    I sure am glad that you did not make a claim stating that you are not afraid to speak truth.
     
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    Why do you have to lie? You have no intention of disscussing anything.

    We, Xns have certain beliefs. One of these beliefs is that we are not allowed to impose less shove our beliefs down others throats. It is written in the Bible. We, Xns cannot convert anybody to Xty. It is written in the Bible. God does convert. He is in charge over us, the universe, believers and non-believers. We, Xns are not. IT is the core of our belief.

    Why do you have to lie? Are you a muslim, a pederast or a scientist of some kind? HOw does it come that you have no clue about Xty which is in the foundation of this country, of your freedom from my religion?
     
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    The majority of atrocities in history were commited by people who beleived that God wanted it done.

    1; The majority of Nazis were catholics who were raised to believe that all Jews were evil for killing Jesus.

    2; During the western movements in America, the stealing of land from the Native Americans and the murders of hundreds of thousands of innocents were done under the guise of the religious right of white people.

    3; Colombus and other explorers performed forced conversions to Christianity on pain of death.

    4; During the Cruisades, Christian knights were told that all of their sins would be forgiven if they killed non-christians. This was not limited to other warriors, and Christian knights rode down Muslim and Jewish woman and children on a daily basis.

    5; The more current atrocities such as 9/11 and the other Muslim lead terrorist attacks of the late 1900's.
     
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    1,2,3,4 are lies. see my post above. Why do you have to lie through all your life? How many of those lives do you have to waste? Native Americans did not have any concept of ownership of any land as they did not have any concept of land in the same way as atheists have no concept of reality or Crusades or anything. Enjoy living by ridiculous lies.

    Why do you have to lie? Are you a muslim, a pederast or a scientist of some kind? HOw does it come that you have no clue about Xty which is in the foundation of this country, of your freedom from my religion?
     
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    The fact that they did no belive in owning the land does not mean that the white settlers did not murder hundreds of thousands of them because they would not move off of the lands.
     

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