As things stand now, House Republicans will cause the United States to default on its debts

Anybody who trusts government or a politician is a fool.

 

Perposterous...............it is Biden who refuses to negotiate willing to have the United States default in order to get even more massive spending increases and more debt and more inflation.

 

Who is refusing to negotiate and come to an agreement? Who is willing to continue to do so even if the United States defaults?

 

The US can pay it's direct obligations from current revenues, any cuts can be made to unnecessary programs as has always been done. There is one person holding this hostage to their own singular demands and that is Joe Biden, he would just as soon shutdown the government if he can't get his way on even MORE debt and spending.

 

I've pointed that out, too!

I've given several specific examples of perfidy.

But, the idea that the long term interests of America could include a default is just plain absurd.

Default is a catastrophe.

 

Republicans don't have the votes, so they want to hold America hostage

 

Republicans during the Trump administration refused to allow Democrats to be included in forming legislation on the major issues of that time.

And, THAT is their history.

For Democrats, we see that under huge Democratic majority in the Senate our healthcare system was designed by bipartisan committees in the House and in the Senate. This was NOT FREE. Democrats had to concede the direction that Obama and large numbers of Democrats wanted.

Democrats took the same action under Obama in forming a comprehensive immigration reform bill - created in bipartisan committees in the House and Senate. One can still see that bill of 2013, as it would be an outstanding bill TODAY. It did not pass, because Republican House Speaker Boehner refused to allow it to come to a vote - a purely political move in face of the fact that it had the votes to pass - including Republican votes.

NEVER have Republicans taken a bipartisan approach to significant legislation in the modern era.

This is a DRAMATIC difference between the parties.

Not only that, but Republicans have approached democracy as a contest to see how many citizens they can block from representation - even up to defending insurgents who violently assaulted our democracy on Jan 6.

 

If that is what it takes. Profligate government spending will literally destroy America.

 

It is but a lesser catastrophe than total economic collapse which is where we are headed.

 

I didn't expect you to understand.

 

the right should own it, if they think hurting the economy is a good thing... own it

 

I said compromise is a highly overrated quality. I did not say it wasn't a necessity.

 

I care about NOW, this is about the DEBT CEILING NOW...................deal with it.

 

Who is refusing to negotiate and come to an agreement? Who is willing to continue to do so even if the United States defaults?

 

Fake News. You avoided the point because you know that your title is untrue. The cause of hitting the pending debt ceiling is that Dems planned on fiscal 2022 spending in excess of the debt ceiling, rather than either raising the debt ceiling to accommodate their planned spending or, restricting their planned spending to the amount allowed by law.

And a shut down will only result in default IF Biden CHOOSES to not service the debt during a shutdown, in violation of the 14th amendment.

 

If you believe it is necessary, you should be supporting it.

 

The debt ceiling issue has to do with how we invest in America over many decades.

No single fix is going to resolve how we invest.

In particular, America will NOT be fixed by having Republicans cut the healthcare and food for the least among us will allowing the super rich to CHEAT Americans out of BILLIONS of dollars in taxes - money that can't even possibly change their lives.

 

I support compromise. It is a necessity. I merely said it was a highly overrated quality. There are those who seem to believe compromise is the most important quality of a politician. That is far from accurate.

 

Our legislature was created in order for representatives to work together to form decisions that are informed by different perspectives.

That can't happen when the decisions are made in the cloak room - such as with McCarthy, huddling with the radical right to decide how much to cut the healthcare of poor people.

Those founders wanted something much more like the Democratic direction of forming bipartisan committees to work together on the major issues, like healthcare and immigration.

 

Daft punk R fanatics. Lost sight of their goals whilst redoubling their efforts to attain them.

 

Republicans... they want to destroy the US economy it seems

 

Common belief but not entirely accurate. Th framers specifically went with a bicameral congress to force debate and contention and make it harder to pass laws. And they purposefully populated one house by popular vote (albeit segregated and splintered) and the other represented by state legislatures to enhance the differences. They knew full well that eventually some compromise was required to get much done but it was not high on their priority list. To them bottleneck was a good thing because it forced deliberation and contention -- much more desirable than railroading.

They knew that unfortunately there would be inevitable factions (most disliked political parties) but had no problem with those individual factions getting together to work out positions and tactics

 

LOL - the purpose was clearly NOT to make it harder to pass laws!!

Were there no congress, we would be an autocracy - unlike any first world country, because of the crushing failure that results.

Compromise doesn't somehow deny that there is disagreement. If there were no disagreement, compromise wouldn't be needed.

 

It is absolutely necessary in politics and in business.

 

Which is why we are in this mess to begin with.