As things stand now, House Republicans will cause the United States to default on its debts

Well, you might want to tell that to the MAGA supporters who pretty much trust in a Trumpian government in any and all things. something to consider for irony and paradox.

 

We've done it 4 times before and pretend we never have. I am sure we will do it again and pretend we didn't.

 

Code:

https://youtu.be/1kuTG19Cu_Q

 

This thread is nonsense "We have done it before" -- so what .. they are not going to do it today.. tomorrow ..next week .. or next year .. least not intentionally .. they will raise the cap .. not gonna default intentionally .. default will come .. Bidens idiotic policies speeding that event horizon up ..but it won't be intentional .. we will not be able to stop it .. all the kings horses and all the kings men .. will not be able to raise the debt limit high enough to stop it. .. but is not going to happen in a situation like this .. one side in congress refusing to print more money .. HA HA .. NOT .. the clowns will play some games .. and then raise it .. as they always do.

 

I did. You responded to the post without adding anything.

 

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LOL, the GOP quite literally raise the debt ceiling three times when Trump was in office in order to pass the JCTA and other spending issues Trump wanted. Even Trump wanted an infrastructure package that was bigger than the Build Back America plan, which was dwindled to the Inflation Reduction Act, among other things. In the past, the Legislature would pass a debt ceiling increase in and of itself, and then negotiate for all the budgetary issues and come up with some sort of compromise between the two parties in a budget reconciliation process. This has been going on in both GOP and Republican administrations since the time of Reagan, with the only notable exception of Trump. But most of the policies that Biden signed are what the majority of Americans wanted and somehow you think that is a bad thing? Go figure. As for the games, that is mostly on the GOP, not the Dems on this no matter how you slice it.

If you look at the GOP proposal, it really does not make sense; hence the games the GOP is playing. The elimination of the green energy credits will eliminate some 100k good-paying jobs, mostly in Red States where these GOP representatives live. The elimination of the IRS bill would add $110 billion to the deficit over ten years according to the CBO The rest is simply a wish list for any and all GOP knowing that most of it really does not matter or will be given away eventually so the GOP can come back and say "we did something and it was very hard as lifting five ounces of ketchup with our bare hands" sort of thing. And the group that is controlling this in reality is the Freedom Caucus who pretty much disagreed with McCarthy's proposal because it does not go far enough.

 

No point in repeating myself.

 

What you cited was both ironic and paradoxal in its truest form. You will accept government only on the condition that it follows Trumpian principles, which is based not on governance, but being a totalitarian regime.

 

Amazing that you could develop so much nonsense from a simple post. It is a sign of a closed mind.

 

When did the Republican refuse to negotiate a deal here and give me a link.

 

Then why is Biden refusing to do so here?

 

The debt ceiling is about how much money the government is spending which is out of control. Cutting our spending is one of the several fixes and this is the best place to start. We have RECORED REVENUES coming it and the revenue is coming from those Americans you claim cheat on taxes. Biden refuses to negotiate demanding he be given tens of billions more to go out and spend and spend and spend and continue this rush to where we can't raise the debt ceiling enough and there will be a default.

 

I wouldn't sweat it. Republicans are already digging their own grave with this abortion crap. I promise, ya'll will have the marxist utopia ya'll been dreaming about. Just give it a few more years. It would appear republicans really love to shoot themselves in the foot lately. "abortion lots us the senate, lets now make it even worse and mess with the abortion pills"
With logic like that, as i said, you won't need to worry about them for long.

 

As I posted elsewhere,compromise is a necessity. It is just a highly overrated quality.

 

McCarthy can't even negotiate with his House Republicans.

What he's put together so far is as demanded by the Marjorie Greene cabal, and is high school level nonsense.

 

Given that it is the reason that was given for there being a legislative branch and remains as a requirement for any substantial bill to pass, I'm not so sure how compromise could be overrated.

 

LOL, your masters have indoctrinated you well. Toss out a boogieman name and you're good to go.

 

As things stand now, House Democrats will cause the United States to default on its debts

 

Go get up to speech they have an offer it is Biden who demanded one and now he's got one reneged and still refuses to negotiate. JUST as the Dems always do when they say they will agree to cuts after they get their way.

If there is a shutdown, if there is a default it is on the intransigence of Biden and the Dems.

 

If it is necessary, then it is not overrated. I think most people are piss poor negotiators because they first think or want for themselves. A person who is excellent at negotiating knows it is a fine art and delicate balance between achieving your goals overall but not acquissencing your weaknesses to be exploited. This is aptly done when legally you must use abritration or a professional arbibrator, aka comprimie expert, and that skill is very much in demand and underappreaciated most of the time.

 

If there is a shutdown, most people will blame the GOP in the House and no one else. This happened in 2013 when Cruz led the shutdown of the government and pretty much everyone, including the ones who supported the GOP was against it. Eventually, the GOP acquiesced and the Dems got what they wanted. It started a mini-internal war within the GOP. It is also when the GOP stopped talking policy and started the blame game in full force by blaming anyone and everyone but themselves for the whole mess. As they say, fool me once shame on you, but fool me twice, shame on me. And most people are not going to fall for that line again.

 

So, why did the GOP raise the debt ceiling three times, all within the GOP controlled House, Senate, and WH in order to get the JCTA passed? You really can't blame Dems, you can try but fail, but since the GOP controls the purse strings in those two years, that is something to consider.

Since the 1980s, 2000s, 2010s, and the Trump administration, we have been spending "out of control" without paying for it. We have become accustomed to that credit card we gave ourselves to spend on anything and everything. The only difference is which side gets to spend, Dems or Republicans.

 

According to Ayn Rand, no one can have "nonsense" if they truly believe in moral objectivism which the GOP/Conservatism constantly uses nowadays.

 

The title of this discussion is fake news. The debt ceiling is being hit because Biden and the Dems planned spending in excess of the cap, without increasing the cap.

McCarthy Working To Pass Solution for Biden Dem Debt Ceiling Screw Up

'Republicans are linking a debt ceiling increase to sensible modest spending cuts.

Chuckles Schumer and Illegitimate Joe refuse to engage in negotiations, so the GOP House "will hold a vote this week, and we will pass it, and we will send it to the Senate."

'"When we send this to the Senate, we’re showing that, yes, we’re able to raise the debt ceiling into the next year, but what we’re doing is, we’re being responsible fiscally and bringing our house back in order," McCarthy said on Sunday, adding "It doesn’t solve all of our problems, but it gets us on the right path. And this gets us to the negotiating table, just as government and America expects us to do so."

'McCarthy wants three things in a final bill: spending reductions, permitting reform and some work requirements for social programs.'

 

I don't see anything new or interesting in this article.

The only new point being made is that McCarthy states that Dems have not been included, even in the House.