Aspects of 9-11 one should check for themselves

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  1. Stndown

    Stndown Banned

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    I think that if people truly want to know what the truth is (or isn't) concerning 9-11, one needs search any or all of the following points and question (in the privacy of your own personal surroundings) and determine for themselves if any of these general points of contention warrant further investigation. I'd like to list a few to get you started. They include the following:

    Marvin Bush and the planting of explosives

    The military response (or the lack of it).


    Hani Hanjour and his 'unexplained' flight maneuvers over Washington

    Bin Laden's 'confession' tapes

    Eye-witnessed underground explosions

    The Pentagon and the issue of the (supposed) Flight 77 crash



    These are but a half dozen of simple topics that can be investigated by one, on their own time, and at their own pace. After reviewing all of these to your own personal level of satisfaction, and you still can't say for sure, or you still have unanswered questions, then I suggest you dig a little more and realize what many already do realize, that 9-11 was a crime of massive proportion that we were NOT given the truth about. If after doing all of this however, and you DO find nothing out of order, then there's nothing that I or anyone else could possibly say or present that would change your conclusions.

    I challenge any thinking individual to partake in the exercise, and post your comments here in (somewhat) of an open forum for further discussion.
     
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    Except the evidence shows Marvin Bush is unconnected to any of the events of 911.

    No evidence of any kind exists of explosives used.

    The military responses,

    No maneuvers were ever unexplained.

    There is no question that flight 77 hit the pentagon.

    No eyewitnsses saw explosions under ground.

    The Bin Laden tapes were simply bin laden.

    You got nothing to dispute any of those facts
     
  3. genericBob

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    "The Bin Laden tapes were simply bin laden."
    Really now? there are at least 2 separate Bin Laden imposters
    on Video and it indeed calls into question, the validity of any
    of these videos, Will the Real Osama Bin Laden please stand up?

    Also to the list, I would add the claims made by the promoters of the
    official story, that is the claim that two airliner crashes that is FLT11
    and FLT175 could produce gashes in the sides of skyscrapers that
    are very much like RoadRunner cartoon cut-outs the gashes in the
    sides are full width of the wingspan of the airliner, however because
    of the swept-back nature of the wings on a Boeing 757/767 the last
    10 or 15 ft of said wing would be totally unsupported by anything as
    the aircraft penetrated the wall, not possible for the wing tips to have
    made their mark on the WTC tower wall.

    For anyone who is at all curious about things, PLEASE
    do your own homework on this, do not simply take my word for it,
    and do not take the NIST's word for it either.
     
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    No evidence exists of Bin Laden imposters sorry that is dreamed up fiction.

    The twi airliners made no such gashes like a cartoon as you claim they holes they made in the sides of the building were perfectly normal as one would expect from such an event.

    Yes do your own homework.

    You have failed to do so your claims are abjact falsehoods
     
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    This is why I encourage the reader to do their own homework,
    rather than the previous post that simply alleges the multiple
    Bin Laden actors idea is false, produces no evidence to substantiate
    that claim, PLEASE people if you do nothing else, do your own research.

    anyhow exactly what is an "abjact falsehood"?

    Also, to address the claim:
    "No evidence of any kind exists of explosives used."
    look up the "collapse" of WTC 1, 2 & 7
    examine what constitutes evidence of explosive destruction of the building.
     
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    Abject falsehoods.

    One cannot prove a negative which is why it is on you to back up your claims. The problem is you cannot.

    And I was referring to youi doing homework you are lacking in knowledge.
     
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    I have studied the "collapse" of WTC1,2 & 7 and I understand what constitutes
    evidence of explosive demolition. There are several facts that are truly interesting
    about this business, note that the authorities had the opportunity and indeed the
    responsibility to test for evidence of explosives and no tests were done.
    It is also very interesting the fact that WTC7 descended for 2.25 sec at free
    fall acceleration and this is VERY significant. you claim that there isn't any
    evidence of explosive demolition however simply in the fact that both WTC1, 2
    were completely destroyed, complete destruction is most often an indicator
    of human intervention in the process.

    also, do take the time to brush up on your Statistics & Probability 101.
     
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    You have only paid a little attention toa few conspiracy theories and never bothered to learn or study anything worthwhile.

    There was no responsibility to test for evidence of explosives.

    There was no visible evidence that any explosives were used. WTC7 did not fall at free fall speed whatsoever.

    Complete destruction is not most often an indicator of human intervention as you claim.

    Statistics and probability show quite clearly that when a massive jet strikes a building at hundreds of MPH and the building collapses the cause was the damage caused by the crash.

    It is you lacking in comprehension of statistics and probability.
     
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    Lets just look at this one bit right here,
    What makes you think that WTC7 did not experience
    2.25 sec of 9.8 m/s^2 acceleration?
     
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    I gotta ask, where do you get this stuff?
     
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    Probability.

    MOD EDIT - Rule 2

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    Because it did not collapse at free fall speed
     
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    I asked what is that statement based upon
    and you return with an unfounded assertion.
    Thank you very much.
     
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    What military response were you expecting?
     
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    No it was in fact quite well founded.

    The evidence proved a plane hit the building.

    The evidence proves the building collapsed shortly thereafter,

    No evidence proves or even suggests another cause of collapse
     
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    Marvin Bush.

    Heh, I thought you were serious. :roflol:
     
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    I would have expected SOME type of response versus the total failure the Kean report would have us believe. They had what, and hour an a half to scramble jets but, somehow, couldn't get that done? That's absolutely ridiculous. Apparently, according to the 'official' narrative, the public is supposed to arrive at one of two conclusions. Either that the entire US military was a totally inept force, who was incapable defending the country from even the most rudimentary hostile elements, making them the greatest illusion and farce that the world has ever witnessed. OR, on that fateful morning, forces within our own ranks were purposefully hamstrung, blocked, and wholly prevented our military from carrying out their most basic defensive responsibilities. Those rogue elements within our military and our own government's leadership had to either have been 'stood down', to allow the events to occur (on purpose), OR those same rogue elements planned, facilitated, and actually assisted in carrying out the attacks themselves. Either hypothesis would constitute mass murder and high treason (and there is overwhelming evidence to back up either of those suppositions).
    I would have expected a military response. We didn't get one until it was all over (an hour and a half or so later).
     
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    Bashing the military now? Classy move, Boss. How much does the GOP pay you to play this role?
     
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    Considering the lack of physical proof of there ever having been an
    airliner crashed into the WTC, the fact that the alleged aircraft crash
    was supposed to have been responsible for the gash that covered the
    total wingspan of an airliner when in fact its impossible for the wing tips
    to have penetrated and so the gash is a lie. The video of the alleged FLT175
    is also clearly bogus, you may buy it as a picture of a real airliner crash
    but clearly it is fake. In response to the statement that the aircraft shown
    in the video of FLT175 crashing into the south tower, most often its
    "OH but the airplane was traveling SOOO fast" right, sure, you betcha!
     
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    The military only does what they're told to do (or in this case, not to). Anything other than insults to toss out?
     
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    You're whining again...
     
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    Well, the fact that Marvin was a principal in a company called Securacom (now Stratesec, the same company in charge of security for the WTC's) may be a minor coincidence to you, and PROVE nothing, it does suggest something pretty smelly, in my opinion. The fact that Hani couldn't even control a Cessna but was somehow able to then, without the help of any ground control or air-traffic controllers providing him information and/or settings, would have to interpret his heading, ground track, altitude, and airspeed information on the displays before he could even figure out where in the world he was, much less where the Pentagon was located in relative to his position, may not be more than mere coincidence to you, but it smells badly, in my opinion. There's something one might want to google entitled 'The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training', (by Nila Sagadevan, an aeronautical engineer and pilot.), that might be interesting for one interested in the truth of the matter. Fact is, there are many 'oddities' that wreak of high stench throughout the whole planned fiasco that SHOULD raise red flags all over the place to anyone that is capable of the smallest amount of critical thinking. You dismiss it all as some strange sort of coincidence (I guess). I do not.

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    Just pointing out the obvious.
     
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    Marvin Bush left securacomm in 2000,,there's nothing 'smelly' about his involvement,as he was just on the board of directors..

    And you're STILL whining.
     
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    Another coincidence?
     
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    You can prove it was anything else?...By all means please do!
     
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    Sure are lots of those 'coincidences' surrounding 9-11 (just about everywhere possible). I've highlighted only six but, there are tons more.
     

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