At Least 300 Dead In GAZA HOSPITAL BOMBING

Israel is in the territorial sea of Gaza, and it's airspace, as well controles all the borders on land. The exact amount of trucks entering Gaza from Egypt was only possible through Israeli approval. These are facts.

And other fact is what the world has said about it:

https://web.archive.org/web/2012050...ssg/hilites/hilites_arch_view.asp?HighID=2059

GAZA STRIP CONTINUES TO BE REGARDED AS PART OF OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORY

• Asked about the status of Gaza, the Spokesperson said that under resolutions adopted by both the Security Council and the General Assembly on the Middle East Peace Process, the Gaza Strip continues to be regarded as part of the occupied Palestinian Territory. He said the United Nations would accordingly continue to refer to the Gaza Strip as part of the occupied Palestinian Territory until such time as either the General Assembly or the Security Council take a different view.

So... "well well". Didn't I cover my bases well. How about you?

 

It struck me last night as I watched the pro-Hamas rallys on so many college campuses and in NYC, Chicago, and the usual hardcore lefty places that this is precisely how the Third Reich occurred in the first place. It's happening here in front of our eyes! These groups need to be disbanded, any non-citizen members should be deported, and citizen members should be investigated to the point it makes the investigations on Trump look like how the local PD handles a call about graffiti.

 

Do you think Israel has right to stay in Palestine and create their own state?

To answer your question – if someone comes to my home and take my home away, I will fight back, but if I see I can’t win , I will pack up my beg and leave. Because I would rather save my wife and children then let them slaughter by those who took over my house.

 

I would too. But then how would you find out if you could win? Turtledude said he would arm himself and fight meaning that he is not really any different to Hamas and the PLO

 

Finding someone else who continue to spout the same lie that you do doesn't add any additional credibility to your baseless claim.

 

The UNGA and the UNSC isn't "someone else". They represent what the world says. Your claim it's not occupied is a baseless claim, not supported by the international community.

 

Paid mouthpieces for terrorists you mean? Why should anyone ascribe them credibility?

 

I can’t speak for @Turtledude , but I will tell you what I think.

As I have been saying Hamas and PLO represent Palestinian people. These organization fights for Palestinian people and Palestinian people support them. As a matter of fact Palestine people elected Hamas to be their elected leader.

When Hamas attack Israel, it is Palestinian people attacking Israel. Israel has every right to fight back. When Hams fire rocket in Israel, Israel has every right to fire missile back to Palestine. Hamas can’t attack Israel and then when Israel fight back , Palestinian and rest of the world can’t say “ Israel killing innocent people”. As long as Hamas fire rockets to Israel, Israel will fire back.

 

You calling the UNGA and the UNSC "paid mouthpieces" is just your rather childish opinion and not actually a proven fact, for being wrong about the way how Gaza is still occupied.

 

You said that you would do exactly the same as the Palestinians if you thought you could win

 

Yes, I would do exactly the same fight back if someone take my home.

But I also said, if i see I can’t win , and my daughter is getting killed, my boys are getting killed, I would pack my beg and leave . or I can be stupid and fight until I have nothing to save.

 

Endless, mindless drivel is not discussion. You are off the table.

 

You calling the US intelligence "Endless, mindless drivel" is absurd. You're off the table.

While the NYT proved that the Israeli claim with the camera footage wasn't a rocket of Hamas, but something that came from the IDF and heading straight at the hospital.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-israel’s-claims-gaza-hospital-attack.614418/

 

"The Times’s finding does not answer what actually did cause the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital blast, or who is responsible. The contention by Israeli and American intelligence agencies that a failed Palestinian rocket launch is to blame remains plausible.

Moreover, the crater left from the impact was relatively small, a fact that Israel has cited in arguing that none of its munitions caused the blast, and could be consistent with a number of different munitions. Hamas has not produced a remnant of an Israeli munition or any physical evidence to back up its claim that Israel is responsible."

 

Funny how you pick the parts that don't really matter.

Israel claims with a vid that it was a rocket from Hamas that hit the hospital. But the NYT found out that exact rocket was an Israeli rocket!
The Times cannot independently identify the type of projectile that was fired from Israel, though it was launched from an area known to have an Iron Dome defense system.

So when Israel insist that the rocket they got on vid, is the rocket that caused it all. It means that Israel did it, because it was THEIR rocket all along. They lied, and you're their parrot. And all you got against the NYT is that they do not know what Israel used, as if that makes any difference in that it's THEIRS.

NYT also that Israel shot at the hospital 3 days earlier:
Israel has fired more than 8,000 munitions into Gaza, in what has become a brutal assault, and had even hit Al-Ahli Arab Hospital with an illumination artillery shell three days earlier, according to video evidence and the hospital’s official Facebook page.

 

don't matter, to you.

 

You shamelessly defend the actions of Oct. 7th....need I say more.

 

NYT retracted their original report. NYT doesn't stand by their own report.

Editors’ Note: Gaza Hospital Coverage - The New York Times (nytimes.com)


This is what their editorial


On Oct. 17, The New York Times published news of an explosion at a hospital in Gaza City, leading its coverage with claims by Hamas government officials that an Israeli airstrike was the cause and that hundreds of people were dead or injured. The report included a large headline at the top of The Times’s website.

Israel subsequently denied being at fault and blamed an errant rocket launch by the Palestinian faction group Islamic Jihad, which has in turn denied responsibility. American and other international officials have said their evidence indicates that the rocket came from Palestinian fighter positions.

The Times’s initial accounts attributed the claim of Israeli responsibility to Palestinian officials, and noted that the Israeli military said it was investigating the blast. However, the early versions of the coverage — and the prominence it received in a headline, news alert and social media channels — relied too heavily on claims by Hamas, and did not make clear that those claims could not immediately be verified. The report left readers with an incorrect impression about what was known and how credible the account was.

The Times continued to update its coverage as more information became available, reporting the disputed claims of responsibility and noting that the death toll might be lower than initially reported. Within two hours, the headline and other text at the top of the website reflected the scope of the explosion and the dispute over responsibility.

Given the sensitive nature of the news during a widening conflict, and the prominent promotion it received, Times editors should have taken more care with the initial presentation, and been more explicit about what information could be verified. Newsroom leaders continue to examine procedures around the biggest breaking news events — including for the use of the largest headlines in the digital report — to determine what additional safeguards may be warranted.

 

So, is Fascism, Hamas, Nazism, piracy acceptable if stopping such evil forces costs "One civilian death"?

 

You only say that because I proved your precious Jewish state is committing war crimes. Not just now, but also in the past and as a result caused Hamas to spawn as an opposing party to their war crimes. And by pinning the blame on Israel, something that you can not dispute, I do not show any kind of support for oct 7th. I just explain how it became to be.

 

Even though I could be said to be a pacifist, if a member of my family were killed by the people who took my home I would fight back whether or not I thought I could lose.

 

And yet you refuse to condemn war crimes committed by Muslims.

 

Your source starts with: By The New York Times Oct. 23, 2023. It is a response to their initial report that they published before it.
My source starts with: By The New York Times Oct. 25, 2023. So your source can not be a retraction of my source.

That Oct 25th article flat out pins the blame on Israel if Israel insists that a specific rocket caused the massacre,... since -unlike what Israel claims- it's an Israeli rocket shot from an IDF location.

 

We all are different. That’s fine.

So your point is Palestinian will fight with Israel until Israel leaves Palestine ?

 

Some Palestinians will fight the Jews until they are all dead.