Atheism V's Theism.

Whatever, I am apparently too stupid to know when I am being insulted. Pompasity at its best.

Your excuse is obviously meant for you, so please keep your excuses to yourself. I really don;t give a rats butt what excuses you use to justify the behavior. Its a simple question of civility, which YOU apparentlu care a great deal about .... at least that YOU be treated with it?

 

Yeah, I actually studied history and he didn't. Therefore I worked my ass off and that is a bad thing.

And, once again, as context doesn't matter in our ever circular arguement with these atheists, so be it. In the previous century alone atheism linked up to political power killed more poeple than Christianity did in thousands of years. Communism you say? Well, When Christians did it, fuedalism did not matter at all? So why would a more modern political system matter?

In short, its the deliberate application of hypocrisy to justidy paranoia and insults. Atheism at its finest, and look at how hard they will go to justify being prejudiced?

Standards. Are false accusations a good or bad thing?

Well? Actual standards condemn the antics of modern atheist. It really is that simple.

 

No, last time you found a single quote from Wolverine pointing out that the Ten Commandments don't say anything about rape (which is true). Somehow, in your head, that equated to him calling you a rapist. And Wolverine's post was a very far cry from anything saying that a person is a rapist, pillager, or murderer simply because he or she is a theist.

No, my post was hijacked by you. It's not "always the Christian's fault." This time it is your fault. You responded to my post with something that was completely unrelated to the conversation I was participating in and barely related to the content of my particular post. If one of my peers did something like that with one of my posts then I would address it.

So I'll reiterate: I don't expect you to "explain" posters like Heretic, or even police him in some fashion. Perhaps you'd like to return the courtesy.

 

No, last time I gave you the link to 500 hits, and posted four examples.

And yes, when you are saying, "Well, Christianity supports rape ... erm, and you happen to be Christian, snicker, snicker ..."

Why calling a spade a spade is right out? Its not quite the exact phrase, a little less concise?

This is the honor of atheism is it? When the people routinely at the ends of these barbs stand up to it, just pretend that, because its not aimed at you, it isn't happening? Is there right now, a thread asking whether or not Jesus was a rapist?

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/266310-jesus-rapist.html

Not only is it asking the question, implying we worship a rapist, but it begins with the same tired Jesus Myth accusation. At what point are we allowed to notice and ACKNOWLEDGE this behavior - without the, well, you guys do it to excuse!

Because there are no threads questioning whether atheists, by dint solely of their faith or association with guys like Stalin, that are asking whether atheists support rape and are byextention rapists.

And if there was ... I highly doubt that your excuses would be metted out ate what would obviously be flame bait.

Oh really, I am debating myself am I?

Once again, you see fault everywhere in Christianity, but go to great extents to ignore your co-religionists. And no, you are not addressing your peers posts so ... what now?

Nor do I interrupt those who do choose to debate Heretic by accusing THEM of hijacking threads, nor do I make excuses for his behavior. See the difference?

Of course not, behavior is only bas when it aimed at you. Gotcha.

 

Dude, you didn't even know that the Israelites started the invasion of Canaan, you thought it was a "defensive war" by the Israelites to defend their holy land, so don't give me any bull(*)(*)(*)(*) about you knowing ANY history. Not to mention that sexual slavery and the buying of foreign slaves was permitted at ALL times and had nothing to do with war.

 

Dude, you don;t even know that there was more than one war in the OT. Nor do you know who Eusebius is. And you think Jesus was Myth. And you faked a mastery of Greek.

But heh, you used the word dude in obvious frustration, so ... well, I guess the illusion of winning a debate is enough for some cult members.

 

Okay, so you are saying that slavery and the rape laws were only allowable during wartime? Awesome, go ahead and provide a verse for that.

I also knew who Eusebius was, I was asking for specifics about what you were talking about, which you failed to do.

And no, you think that I think Jesus is a myth, I have never EVER used that word to describe Jesus, YOU did because you can't actually have a conversation with anybody without projecting.

And finally, I never claimed a mastery of Greek nor did I even pretend to do so, I simply pointed out what someone's own source said. Apparently I can't actually delve into what somebody's source said without being a master of it, huh?

 

I believ I have explaine dthe position many times. Feel free to look it up and actually offer a rebuttal rather than interrupting yet another thread with your petulent slander.

And yes, when you are claiing mastery of Greek words, no doubt ripped form some random atheism web site, to tell someone what the original Greek translation means? Yeah, that is exactly what you are claiming.

So either you were lying to the poster you made that claim to, or you are lying to me. Or both?

Once again, in my religion, dishonesty if frowned upon. What about yours?

 

Fine, let's catch you in another lie, Neutral. Where did I claim to be a master of the Greek language? And no, the source was Strong's Concordance, the source that BFSmith cited, which completely disagreed with his interpretation. Shows how much you actually pay attention.

 

I already quoted it for you once today! You need to see it and ignore it again?

Ok.

On what planet are you expert enough to make an educated guess about what ancient Greek is or is not saying? You do realize that, exactly as charged, these types of antics are steadily pumped out in the propoganda of atheism and just a google search away?

Now, on what planet do you have the ability to decide what was intended into ancient Greek, as it was translated most likely, from Hebrew? But you are not claiming mastery? Just definitively that the definition is what you need it to be?

First you want to rub it in someone's face, and then you want to deny it?

Again, in my religion, lying is considered a low and dishonrable thing. Yours?

 

Sure, most people should be treated with civility. However, since you seem to lack the ability to treat others civilly (including me), there is no reason for me to treat you as such.

I imagine others feel the same way.

 

Got it, when you jump into a forum accusing someone of being a troll, its actually the other person who is being uncivil, and you are the victim.

Its pretty simple Null, your precious faith choice is not above critciism, and the fact that you automatically brand anything thta disagrees with a troll - despite the silly now second set of excuses - is rediculous. YOU are responsible for YOUR behavior. If you cannot control you, why is it now my responsibility to do so simply because you, having donned the roles of Lord and Master, have declared my behavior - which is saying, "Stop calling people trolls," an unacceptabel breach of etique that justifies being a total tool rather than a logical debater.

The fact tat you do theis every couple of weeks and randomly jump into a thread to pursue what you have just declared as some kind of a personal vendetta? Really, you are the victim here.

Did the FSM, which your icon clearly worships, plant this weak excuse in your mind? Or are you responsible for it?

Typical atheist.

 

Nothing you have ever posted showed anyone seriously saying that Christianity supports rape or that Christians in general are rapists. You have never provided any evidence of that. The link you provide here is a joke response thread to the one calling Muhammad a rapist. He even says so in the opening post.

I see fault in you responding to a post with completely unrelated material. There are plenty of Christians on this board that don't hijack posts with tangential nonsense. You can't seem to help yourself, though.

You did interrupt an exchange in this thread. You didn't add to it; you took it off the rails. Specifically, yguy, Durandal, and myself were talking about Einstein, and then you suddenly jump in with allusions to some horrible, imagined slight against yourself and other Christians. You responded to my post and went off into the weeds, so now I'm addressing you and your incessant need to derail discussions (not entire threads, just discussions within threads) in order to attack all atheists as if we're all of one mind and singular behavior. My peers don't quote my posts and then hijack discussions. You did.

No one should be expected to try to address every bad behavior of everyone, let alone their peers, on a forum. That's insane.

 

Wow, yes, you quoted a post of mine that was basically a rehash of this original post.

You see that link right there ^? That website has a search function for Strong's Concordance, which BFSmith cited as a source. That is where I pulled those words from and the translations for those words. Never did I say I was an "expert of Greek", you just jump into conversations and get confused because you don't read the entire conversation.

 

I'd say being a troll is pretty uncivil, yes.

A lack of faith, by definition and logic, cannot be a faith. I also never claimed it was above criticism. You still have yet to present any valid criticisms, however.

This is the second time you've used this exact same straw man. When you act like a troll, people point it out. Disagreeing with atheism has nothing to do with it. Do you need to look up "troll" as well? Not that I think it will help, since accepted definitions of words seem to have no influence on you anywhere else.

Of course I am responsible for my behavior, and neither do I expect you or anyone else to "control" me. You don't seem to get it (shocker ). You constantly treat people like (*)(*)(*)(*) - it's quite revolting. I'm not going to be polite and respectful to someone who refuses to do the same toward me and everyone else around them. That's not me being out of control, it's a conscious choice to reflect your disdain back at you.

You get what you give, basically.

Personal vendetta? LOL, don't flatter yourself. I have no problem being civil to others, because most others are also civil. I often enjoy debating various issues, and I feel compelled to point out and correct misinformation and falsehoods. The fact that, more often than not, I seem to be responding to your comments... well... let's just say that that speaks more about you, than me.

Looks like "worship" also needs to be added to your list of words to look up.

Typical Neutral.

 

This entire line of reasoning is the foundation of Darwinian Evolution - a school of thought which is being dismantled right in front of your eyes.

If the media was in any way interested in reporting it.

Did you know that Science has already refuted the contention that what genes survive do so solely because of random mutation? Did you know that genetic sequences reorder themselves in real time to account for changes in their surrounding environment which challenge their existence?

It's called "Cellular Genetic Programming". It messes up your preconceived notions badly, so look it up.

The question that must then be answered is: if evolution did not take place via the processes of punctuated equilibrium and Natural Selection...

...what is responsible for the mechanism?

That will challenge you in the same way you chose to challenge the OP: don't choose to not comprehend this simply because it doesn't mesh with your own religious beliefs.

 

Once again, you take a deceased woman's words and twist them to your own devices. Disgusting.

 

Oh look, a strawman argument!

 

Still waiting for you to acknowledge that I simply pointed out what BFSmith's own source said about the Greek words and didn't pretend master in the Greek language.

 

<<< Mod Edit: Insult >>> I did no such thing. These are the words of James A. Shapiro - professor of microbiology at the University of Chicago, and the cutting edge of this field of study. You admitted you aren't smart enough to understand this field, so why are you mouth farting crap about which you clearly know nothing? Learn, instead of flapping your gums.


Let's start with the first line of a forward written in Shapiro's new book Evolution: A View from the 21st Century, because it describes you beautifully:

Now I'm going to slap you across the face with a glove in challenge: you tell me which words of a deceased woman I supposedly twisted.

 

Will you secular leftists stoop to any level to avoid acknowledging arguments which defeat your positions? My God! Just focking admit that you're not at all equipped to counter the truth of what your own vaunted science has done to your carefully constructed house of cards!

 

A very well written review of Shapiro's book posted on Amazon.com, by someone who obviously knows what he's talking about. Perhaps those minds supposedly so intelligent while simultaneously so closed could possibly open them a crack to contemplate the implications of what is being discussed here?

Nah. Too much to hope for. The hypocrisy of this bunch is incredible. These people lampoon people who believe in God as near Neaderthal (save your attempts to deny that you do any such thing ) while desperately clinging to a failed faith themselves. The new science, bubbas, has thrown you off a cliff.

 

Is there any evidence from other scientists to back up James A. Shapiro assertions? It seems that Mr Shapiro has a pretty good following amongst creationist.

 

Jim Shapiro continues his misguided attack on neo-Darwinism

Note: the article is much longer

 

Yes - and it's not hard to find. You just don't wish to even look. But I bet you'll try to find some dissenting atheists though - won't you?