Atheism V's Theism.

Yeah, heaven forbid anyone go by what a man explicitly says rather than ignore his actual words and make up some hidden meaning.

 

You mean like finding that you are surrounded by Hilters? Rapists? Genocidal maniacs? Twisting a parable into literalism? That sort of thing? Why heaven forbid that sort of thing happen ... it would just be wrong, correct?

 

Obvious troll post is obvious.

 

That's nice. Next time might I suggest this as a reply:

"So's your face!"

It's pretty much the same thing, but it's shorter and more to the point.

 

i know you're wrong to believe in something other, than what is real. (truth)

which is which? I bet each are people, just like you and I.

mother nature is the 'god' of mankinds sought understanding.

Nothing to debate.

All other 'god(s)' are manmade. Basically fignewtons of the imagination, period!

The fact is, all of 'god' (nature) was here before and after you. Any naming of anything is just an identifier but to understand 'nature' god, then with them identifiers, 'we' can move mountains. (mankind is capable)

that 'luck' you are ranting on, is the same kind of 'belief' in a magical miracle maker as is to adher to the second law of thermodynamics. (basis of plancks constant (theorem/math), the 'uncertainty principle' and the basic physics of today

But, they are wrong and the clearest proof is you and I. Life: abuses entropy. ie.... i break the law, just by putting on a coat.

So that 'luck' and chance argument is moot because in reality, the sciences do not have the correct model of how the universe works either.

It's just that simple. And yes the true folk of science, also realize and know this.

no it aint.

just the concept of genesis, in which man made a choice, named eve, (as the story renders of the per se first man), thru to old testament, to injil (new testament), and even a quran, from gabby angel(s), the ptolemaic universe, newtonian, the relative and today, the unveiling (the truth)....................... all prove the EVOLUTION of knowledge.


In the last 200 yrs alone the population explosion of mankind, underwritten by knowledge, should be additional proof positive of the trend (being good for life).

conscious experience enables empathy. Women, must be compassionate in giving of herself, for the next generation to even survive. "WE" evolved.

the INSTINCT 'to continue' (to live0

to live.

Overall?

Existence is defining "itself". (ie... the "word", was a manmade creation upon conscious awareness of 'self')


Eventually, each can be given an 'owners manual' upon birth (book of life).

How about 'nature' enables and we are it, doing it, to itself?

Life is instinctively 'purposed to continue'.

I did not state the start, i pointed out a fact of natures living process. (we live within the process)

basic human trait.

Each are capable of compassionate awareness, naturally.

quite the opposite. The fight over the 'hill' in jerusalem, is a war that will remove the BS, in a biblical proportion

and the folk left, will wipe the morons off the map

sure each can.

good (actions a life can cause to exist, by choice): support life to continue (contribrute energy for another life; you live in that gift)

Bad: loss to the common (go ahead and measure any command of responsibility)

worchip is for morons!

Doing 'good' is the commitment to all, nature and every-one ever to exist, again, and grounded by truth (what is real)

"WE" are the conscious lives. WE cain and are abel.


'We" are it, to know what is real.


nothing magical about it!

 

Did Einstein say something about that? I was talking about Einstein.

Are you going to talk about how you've been repeatedly called those things again, now? Are you going to actually put up some quotes this time? I've seen the twisting a parable into literalism thing, but I've still yet to see anyone call you or any other theist on this board a rapist or genocidal maniac.

 

Twisting of a parable into literalism.. Jesus!!

 

Right standard atheist victimhood. Anything that disagrees with an atheist is automatically trolling.

But of course, viuolating the forum rules to call others trolls is of course highly intellectual and not trolling.

See why I think atheists have issues with standards?

 

Except that isn't what you are doing, you are badmouthing atheists, not disagreeing with us.

 

Anfd I am talking about the standard wherein atheists rip into religion with utter zealotry on one hand, but then go out of their way to make theists into atheists.

Is Einstein, a theist, really like Adopf Hitler? Does he support rape? Slavery? As a Jew, at least by heritage, does he support Genocide? Or are such comments simply and utterly stupid?

Yet atheists don't just make them, they very often gang up when those tidbits come out. Yet, their own icons are actually theists ... who rape, pillage, murder, etc.

I would have thought that making such a pont would be easily recognized and consensus that being prick based on someone's faith alone is probably not a good thing to do. Apparently I am wrong about that. SOme theists get god hood status in atheism, where their theism is ignored. The rest? Sub-human criminals, eh?

Explain to me FreedomSeeker?

 

Well, what do you expect from slavers who believe in Myths?

You expect such antics to be afforded respect? You expect when such behavior is institutionalized that it should be treated as just another opinion? Well, let me remind you what atheists haveto say about that.

"We're respectful of the American people's individual rights to practice as they see fit (equal to our rights to do the same), but this does not mean we have to respect the decision. If you choose to ignore logic and knowledge in order to believe in an invisible magic man in the sky, or Santa Claus for that matter, you've made a ridiculous decision and we're not going to pretend it's "just another way of looking at things."

http://atheists.org/religion

The reaslly funny part?

When atheists run around badmouthing religion, it a highly professional and unemotional cirtique. When someone rejects the deliberate smear of a faith and it institutionalized debotchery, its bad mouthing atheism.

Remember the point I am making about your atheism and its lack of standards?

Well, you bad mouth religion - call us slavers, stupidly claim Jesus is a Myth in definace of evidence, and its kosher.

Someone rejevts those antics and the lack of standards that support such antics, and suddenly atheism is a victim?

Its nothing but hypocrisy. And, as one of your peers told me today, you are one logical arguement away from realizing that.

 

Are you looking to debate, or simply fill the void an inability to participate intelligents with a bunch of slanderous one liners?

Its a debate forum, your faith can and will be challenged. If you cannot defend it? That sounds like a personal problem.

 

Except I never claimed Jesus to be a myth. It's so sad to see you like this, Neutral, it really is. All I ever stated was that there isn't enough evidence to definitely say that Jesus existed. Until we find such evidence, why say that he did?

Except you aren't badmouthing atheism, you're badmouthing atheists.

 

You just calimed it again yesterday. You also claimed you never partook in organized flame bait. Do you see why atheisms lack of standards is a problem? You spend months confronting theists about Jesus being a myth and now deny it? You do realize this forum has a search engine correct?

Yep, atheists are atheism. Muslims sure as hell are not atheism. Its not like we can hold your non-existant doctrine accountable, so we had best hold atheists responsible for what they do in the name of atheism.

Always an excuse.

 

Seriously, I want to ask you whether or not you think that I ever used the word myth to describe Jesus? I have never used such wording, that comes solely from you.

 

*Sigh*, there is a difference between calling Jesus a mythological figure and saying that there isn't enough evidence to prove either way that he exists, right? Or no, you don't agree with that?

Fine, then don't (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) when we call Christians Christianity.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...lived-died-before-they-14.html#post1061725434

There you are just yesterday pretending you understand Greek and have a mastery of early Christian theology.

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/266188-contradiction-atheism-13.html#post1061724309

There you are claiming ignorance of major portions of early theological history and asking me to help you - also yesterday.

So in one day, you went from theological master fluent in Greek, to finding out that Eusebius was important? Nope, your insights are all honest?

And what does that statement mean given your expertise that is not expertise as of yesterday? Jesus is a myth, only log winded like?

 

No there is not. Espcially when acadmeic opinion is so against such a stupid and deliberately inflammatory claim - right master of Greek?

You do. And you make no delineations between sects, history context, etc. We are all slavers, right? Well, then atheists, being held to the same standards are genocidal maniacs ala Stalin, who sue people at the drop of a hat to fulfill their delusions of of a Crusade.

Its now ALL atheists doing it because an atheist want to be obtuse ... and a victim.

 

Pointing to what BFSmith's source said is not "pretending that I have an understanding of Greek".

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/266188-contradiction-atheism-13.html#post1061724309

I wasn't trying to find out why Eusebius was important, I was asking you what specifically you were talking about when you brought him up. Man are you just totally gonezo today?

How old are you? Seriously, write in coherent sentence format. You constantly yell at people for not using logical arguments when you can't even produce simple sentence structure.


That one is nice, because ALSO just yesterday we have:

I said most of what we know about Socrates is myth, not Socrates is a myth. Jesus, you really can't read, can you?

 

Yeah, those comments are stupid. But I don't believe for a second that there is anyone on this board who has seriously said that anyone is a rapist, pillager, murder, etc simply by virtue of being a theist.

Every belief (or lack of it) has its (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s. I don't hijack your posts to hassle you about the ones who share your ideals. I don't ask you to explain posters like Heretic. Maybe you could return the courtesy.

 

Although it's getting tiresome hearing this broken record keep playing, I wouldn't be too surprised if it actually happened. There are crazies aplenty on the internet, of all religious persuasions, not to mention sock puppets. Still, it would be nice to see a link to an actual post showing it happen, because I've never actually witnessed it.

 

No, what Neutral fails to mention is that he has worked his ass off to justify those practices in the Old Testament as necessary due to context, ignoring the claims about the moral infallibility of God and that the contexts still don't support the practices as moral. Somehow selling your daughter into sexual slavery, killing women who have been raped, or genocide of an entire people is necessary because of some war that didn't actually exist until the Israelites started it. So, no, nobody called him any of these things (which is why he still hasn't produced a post of anybody doing so), we just call him immoral for not condemning the practices.

 

Straw man - I never said anything of the sort. I was clearly speaking only about that post.

I didn't call you a troll, I called that specific collection of statements by you a "troll post".

You REALLY just can't ever get anything right, can you?
(That's rhetorical, by the way. We all already know the answer.)

Yes, it is quite clear - it's all in your head due to your blatant misunderstanding of almost every concept involved, sprinkled with your obvious irrational hatred of atheism and anything else that does not agree with you.

 

Interesting because the last time you claimed this, I asked you to look. You could not find anything. I found JUST ONE atheist calling us rapists, or otherwise slyly implying that we are rapist 500 times. Its quite common, and the real question is why you deny it when it happens all the time?

Agh, so the thread has been hijacked and its always the Christians fault? Mayeb you should take your peers to task, and then they can follow you around calling you a troll left and right.