Atheists Nativity scene?

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  1. jedimiller

    jedimiller Well-Known Member

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    Because atheists don't belive in the birth of Jesus. I'm guessing if an atheist was going to decorate his house during christmas he would have to paint this on his wall. Or use a mirror and put some lights on it, I'm sure it would look cool too, could use a plastic bag and put a flashlight in the middle? And I'm sure the Big bang didn't happen on December 25th or Even on that month.

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    Now which one looks better? Christmas trees are christian too, just so you know. ;)
     
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    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Yeah.. I can see it... turn the picture sideways, readjust the position of the satellite so that it won't make the remainder of the figure leaning to one side; and guess what... you have a <xmas tree... even has that bright shining thing up at the top... Way Cool. The wording on the borders could even be strung across the <xmas tree in the same fashion as those silver laurels but insuring and maintaining the ability for the words to be read.
     
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    jedimiller Well-Known Member

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    Cool. How about something like this? I had to copyright my idea online to make sure the bing bang theory show don't steal my idea. lol.

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    I think it looks kinda cool. Maybe hang some planets around it.
     

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    FreeWare Active Member Past Donor

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    Very nice indeed.

    Though as you are referring to yourself (apparently quite unwittingly), there's no reason why this should only be considered during Christmas.

    Doesn't it reflect poorly on a religion when only plants are sacrificed for it? Just curious.
     
  5. jedimiller

    jedimiller Well-Known Member

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    I know that. But it seems that atheists want to replace our nativity scene with something...they feel as they should have something to celebrate on dec 25th. If they don't believe in jesus or christmas why do they need a space on a nativity scene or take the day off from work?

    Again, freeware and i've told mak and others over and over...personal beliefs do NOT make one religious. A religious person (which im not) goes to church every sunday, follows orders from pastors or priests, and follows the order...I don't believe in religion. I only have a personal belief. NON religious...hope this explains it. And God created trees to give us life and oxygen. They belong to us and to take one home and decorate them shows respect for them. A tree is much like a pet, they want to belong and be appreciated.
     
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    Another ornament would be SUPER ball (very large) with the formula E = mc2
    The "2" being fashioned in the proper 'squared' configuration. In fact, make that super ball the very top ornament with a light that flashes on and off going from a very small orange coloration to a blinding super FLASH. Make sure that everything under the tree is protected from the radiation of that flash.
     
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    I agree. The revised design would also take on the appearance of a bell.. so do it in a brass color and call it the *Atheist Liberation Bell. (*common law copyright effective at this posting) to be celebrated on the 4th of July
     
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    You forget that that time of year actually contains a natural phenomenon. One that humans are and have been celebrating regardless of culture and beliefs.

    Ironically, your statement that your belief is not religious is one of the most common of all religious traits ;)

    No problem, though, I will consider your position and rephrase my question: Doesn't it reflect poorly on your belief in God when you sacrifice only plants for Him? Doesn't He deserve a big fat turkey or goat or buffalo or something?
     
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    Then on Easter... it could be displayed as * an animated signage with a chicken that lays an egg; the egg hatches and out comes a chickabunny symbolizing evolution and the morphing process. (* common law copyright effective on posting)
     
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    Um ok, whatever works for you.
     
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    Yeppir: Sure does... just like every day of the year.... every week of the year, every month of the year, and if you really want to get technical,,, we could also refer to the seconds (and fragments thereof), minutes, hours.. All natural phenomena... the continuation of time.


    Naaah.. even in respect to the sacrifice thing... He wouldn't be interested anymore except to see the willingness of each individual making an expression of 'personal sacrifice'. Give up something from the heart and give with the motivation of love for mankind, expecting nothing in return.
     
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    Just to clarify, I'm quite sure that pets don't like to get sawed in half no matter how much it's argued that it's only to show how much they're appreciated.
     
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    What does every second of the year, or fractions thereof, have to do with the phenomenon that is celebrated around the same time as Christmas?

    Naaah? Ok. I would have thought an animal or even human sacrifice would have been much more butch than a spruce.
     
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    Please describe this PHENOMENON that you speak of in december please freeware. Because it it wasn't for Jesus, you wouldn't be celebrating a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing. The only reason atheists think they deserve to celebrate during december 25 is because they hate that they have nothing to celebrate, therefore they grab onto our celebration. Copycats.

    We sacrifice trees? So you think eating/cutting a fruit from a tree is a sacrifice too? Eating the fruit is somehow killing it? Trees, like fruit were meant to be part of us, to enjoy.
     
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    Seriously?! The phenomenon I refer to is of course winter solstice, Jedimiller. Return of the light is and has been celebrated by countless cultures on both the northern and southern hemispheres (of course, the southern equivalent does not coincide with Christmas).

    I don't know about you, but I don't decorate or dance around fruits before eating them.
     
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    jedimiller Well-Known Member

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    Winter solstice...sure bud. describe how that relates to christmas or the birth of jesus..in any way or form. the soltice celebrations were associated with crops and food. Not beings like Jesus or Santa Claus with Godlike abilities.

    Eating a fruit is like eating/killing a tree. A fruit comes from a tree, you are killing the fruit as you put it. It's the same thing as cutting down a tree.


    Now, that I've won both arguments. anything else?
     
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    Jesus wasn't born on the 25th Dec! It was initially celebrated some months afterwards in spring, but changed to Dec in order to coincide with the pagan celebrations of Yule, therefore making pagan conversion easier. So if the inaccuracy of dates is your rationale for the condemnation of big0-bang theory, it applies equally to christianity.


    Yeah, "god" will let you into heaven for believing in god as christmas trees look nice. And to be honest, if you want to compare the big bang to a tree, the big bang is pretty much gonna win every time.
     
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    Or in Spring we could use an egg to symbolise the re-birth of the planet... Ooooops, I think that's already been done, by the pagans.

    Or what about rabits? (*)(*)(*)(*) it! Done by the pagans also!
     
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    Christians CHOSE 25Dec as it was close to 21Dec and made it easier to convert pagans to christianity. Sweets jesus, this is common knowledge!

    We even have pagan imagery in contemporary christmas celebrations - the yule log for example.

    Then we could talk about easter eggs and bunnies - again, all pagan.
     
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    I never said it related to anything pertaining to your religion. I said it occurred at the same time as Christmas. Therefore, if someone wants days off to celebrate the return of the light then it is actually quite arrogant to assume it's because of your celebration of something else.

    Um ok, except I never "put it" the way you claim. I never mentioned "killing". You did.

    In fact, Incorporeal showed a greater understanding of sacrifice in his reply than you do. Sacrifice is to give up something in expectance of something of a greater value. It may be life that is forefeited, but the traditional religious sacrifice of killing livestock is actually NOT about giving up life but about giving up food.
     
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    I thought Christmas trees were pagan. Or did they have spruces in Jerusalem?

    Celebration of an evergreen in the middle of winter sounds pretty pagan to me. Hanging up apples for fertility?
     
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    Hi swensson. Adam and Eve lived in Eden...tons of trees there. agree? Also Jerusalem had trees agree? Does it matter what kinda trees? not really. It's the symbolism.
     
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    Oh god! Please tell me this is a joke!

    Shouldn't we decorate olive trees then?
     
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    You can't copywrite someone else's work. All you did was take an already created image and rotate it 90 degrees.
     
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    Yeah, I didn't really decorate. Thought about putting up some lights, but have been too busy.

    Find Christmas trees in the Bible.
     

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