Attempted Suicide Rates More Than Double After Gender-Reassignment Surgery: Study

Appeasing people with mental illnesses* is doing a lot of harm and raising the suicide rate of the people with those illnesses.

After reading the article which has a link to the study, are libs still in a rush to chop off body parts?

*I say mental illness because I think anyone who attempts to commit suicide has a mental illness.

 

It’s interesting because MTF transitioning caused suicide attempts to increase but FTM caused a small decline

I also find it odd why anyone would not cite the actual article and instead quoted the epoch times or zero hedge with a completely unnecessary quip at the bottom from matt welsh if they were trying to have a serious discussion on the topic.

 

the actual study linked to in article has this warming at the top of their page:

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That's like saying that people who undergo chemo are more likely to die of cancer than those who do not. It's technically true, but manipulative and dishonest bull **** to use it as an actual argument to imply any kind of causality.

 

We've been trying to explain this to progressives but it's hard to get a word in over all the rhetoric they are used to from Rachel Maddow. So easily duped and tricked by the media today's progressives.

 

Americans who are persecuted by haters have a difficult time, indeed.

 

Gender reassignment surgery isn't going to change one of the major driving factors of transgender suicides, that being the acceptance of the community and society. The blame for that can be placed squarely on the bigots. It's one thing to not support changing laws to allow trans people to play on opposite gender sports teams, but quite another to go about calling them mentally defective and fomenting hate against them. I can understand the former, but I think those who do the latter are essentially walking piles of puke.

 

People with substance abuse have a significently higher than normal suicide rate as do:
recently divorced individuals, those that are mentally ill, those that feel persecuted by those around them. I think we could significantly lower the suicide rate by doing away with alcohol, drugs and marriage and closing schools to prevent bullying.

 

people that get elective surgeries to improve their appearance have increased risk of suicide if the procedure goes badly, straight or not (especially if bullied)

 

That must be it! Brilliant! I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with "Oh no! maybe getting my 3-piece removed wasn't a good idea after all", or "maybe getting the breasts chopped off wasn't the greatest idea". I'm sure those things have nothing to do with it. Its completely the fault of OTHER people. I think you nailed it!

 

Unless the OP is worded incorrectly, suicide rates double for transgenders after reassignment. Not for all people, just transgenders. It suggests rather strongly that transgenders are better off without reassignment. Now as far as adults go, thats not really our business (tho I assume they would be interested in considering this information before making a decision), but it very much is our business in the context of putting minors under the knife, especially when the primary justification is to reduce their risk of suicide.

 

The major driving factor behind the bulk of suicides is mental illness, specifically clinical depression.

Nowhere is it written that the major force behind transgender suicides is community acceptance. Nowhere credible at least.

Such a determination has most certainly not been made by the medical community as you seem to be implying. Even when getting away from the trans community, if a person commits suicide because their gf broke up with them for example, it is not the gf's fault, it is the fault of his mental illness. Trans suicide is no more the fault of society than is the suicide for any type of person.You are blaming society when clearly their problem is internal.

 

What is it that you think causes so much inner turmoil in transgender people? You think it's all self-contained, and that a world who doesn't accept them doesn't play into it? Why do you think gay people have higher suicide rates too? Oh right, mental illness.

The crass and cruel nature of how society can treat those who are different is not internal but does play a major role in the psyche of those affected. Your example is lacking for two reasons. One, it's an isolated incident. And two, the world is not set against people who break up with their girlfriends. There is no taboo, no stigma, and certainly no legions of slobbering morons on the internet calling people who break up mentally ill, defective, and everything else that gets heaped on them.

And I did not imply that suicidal thoughts are always caused by external factors, so you can leave that strawman in the cornfield.

You are going to great lengths to pretend transgender people are not subject to plenty of external negativity that will have a profound effect on their psychology. Only you know why you are doing that, I can only guess.

 

I believe that clinical depression is at the very heart of transgenderism. Clinically depressed people are always searching for the source of their problem. They will often blame their spouse only to find out after divorce that this did not solve their problem, or they change their job etc. Transgenders blame their gender. The reality is that everyone has things in their life they do not like or that have negative outcomes, the difference with a clinically depressed person is that they handle life's predictable ups and downs poorly. Nobody has a life free of ups and downs.

I suspect if you really look at this and other similar studies, it is the trangenderism that creates the high rate of suicide, not necessarily whether they went forth and had the operation. I am sure the pre and post numbers for transgenders are through the roof for suicide. That study didn't compare trans pre and post surgery, it compared tragnsgender surgery to a normal cohort of non transgender people. The notion that someone that was hoping that their problem was they were the wrong gender only to find out that did not solve the problem could likely be the last straw for many.

People are going to look and whisper when they see something way out of the norm, even if they do not intend to. This is an inseparable part of the choice to change genders. I would say the same thing for someone getting a face tattoo. This should be considered carefully when doing something that is going to make one a freak of nature which is a term I do not mean in a pejorative sense.

I have no doubt they receive plenty of negativity, but I reject the notion that this negativity is ultimately the cause of their suicide. The cause is the clinical depression. They were hoping that changing genders was the source of their problem and once they realize ti solved nothing, it potentiates suicide in these already clinically depressed people.

Similarly, when a person commits suicide when they lose their job, it is not their jobs fault. It is the fault of their clinical depression. I do not believe in blaming anyone or anything other than the person that makes this decision. This does not apply only to transgenders.

 

Nowhere is it written that the major force behind transgenderism is clinical depression. Nowhere credible at least.

Such a determination has most certainly not been made by the medical community. And it is funny how you like to invoke the medical community . . . while ignoring pretty much everything they have to say about transgenderism.

 

That is why I said "I believe" rather than stating it as an absolute.

Do you see the difference?

With that being said, the outrageously high suicide rate for transgenders both with post op and those not getting surgery, most certainly is strong evidence for that belief.

 

Speaking of a serious discussion on the topic, nothing so far has established the claim that MTF transitioning caused the suicide attempts to increase.

 

At best, and this is being generous to your argument, it is as strong evidence for the claim that you were dismissing about social acceptance.

 

Correct, harassment and social pressures seem to be one of the key issues. That’s to be expected when the bigots are trying to get their actual existence banned.

These results are not replicated in more tolerant countries with fewer wannabe Nazis

 

Sky high rates of suicide correlate highly with clinical depression. This correlation and subsequent conclusion does not need your "generosity". It stands of its own accord.

What I can add is that I worked for many years selling antipsychotics. I have had suicide discussions with countless psychiatrists. The general belief in the psychiatric community regarding suicide in general is that it is purely a function of mental illness aside from someone logically making the decision because they have a painful terminal illness in which case that is somewhat of a logical decision rather than clinical depression.

Clinical depression correlating to suicide is NOT the same level of proof or acceptance as Transgenders commit suicide due to society. Not by a long shot.

 

Sky high rates of clinical depression correlate highly with social ostracization. This correlation and subsequent conclusion does not need your "generosity". It stands of its own accord. Your entire position is nothing but a pile of double standards.

I'm not talking about your views on suicide. I'm talking about your views on transgenderism are contradicted by the medical community.

 

Clinical depression correlating to suicide is NOT the same level of proof or acceptance as Transgenders commit suicide due to society. Not by a long shot. I understand your notion which is pushed in the movie "13 reasons why" but sincerely, that is not the prevailing belief in the psychiatric community. A lot of laymen tend to blame the last straw event for a suicide, but psychiatrists affix blame to mental illness, not the predictable ups and downs that is going to happen in every persons life.

A person is not defined by how many negative things happen to them in life, they are defined how they react to that predictable negativity. Everybody has truly horrific things that will happen during the course of their life

 

I volunteered in suicide prevention for over a decade. Your dismissal of the experiences of trans people is not something that most medical professionals would call justified. But keep denying that social ostracization is a huge contributor to depression. This isn't about mental health. This is about your political agenda.

 

Thats great that you worked at a suicide prevention hotline, but lets not pretend like that gives you an insight to the psychiatric community's views on causality. Of course you are going to address the last straw event before someone calls a hotline, nobody is suggesting otherwise. By all means address their immediate concern.

With that being said, that doesn't make it the underlying reason. Its sort of like how smoking pot, alcohol, or being on acid can often be present during someone's first psychotic break. These things can commonly precipitate the first psychotic break, but nobody honestly thinks that if they stayed away from pot or alcohol that they would have never been psychotic.

A chemical imbalance causes psychosis ( at least that is the accepted theory), and the pot just happened to be the last straw. If not for the pot, another straw would have come along relatively quickly. It is how they react to stress, not the specific stressor that is the heart of this occurence.

 

I have confidence that medical science, as recognized by the American Medical Association and all other such organizations, has a far better understanding of gender-dysphoric individuals than do authoritarian ideologues who believe that the State should dictate in all such matters.