Attempted Suicide Rates More Than Double After Gender-Reassignment Surgery: Study

The OP didn't provide proof. The OP is implying that coorelation = causation. No real explanation of the supposed cause is even offered and why the cause would strengthen after surgery. This is what happens when the right wing fails logic 101 and tries arguing, "If A is true, then B should be true. B is true, there for A is true."

 

I see leftist talk worse to Republicans here on a daily basis and they keep coming back for more.

 

Funny how we "leftists" (I'm to the right of you on economics) do so . . . in RESPONSE to you are treating others.

 

So all of those people that ended their lives, that also got TRANS'd, all did it for some other reason and they just happen to have that in common? Sure man! Whatever helps you sleep!

 

Since I know you haven't read anything about this at all . . . and you haven't read this thread, clearly, there are big holes in your theory. The biggest one is that there is a difference between trans men and trans women in this study. This is something your "ew gross, trans people" excuses can't really explain. Suicide rates went down for one group and up for the other. Think about it for a second. . . for the first time.

 

Are you trying to convey that do do NOT have the "research" that you so whimsically claimed exists?

I hope not because you sounded so sure of yourself. This almost looks like the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Do you or do you not have a link to some of this "research" that you referenced?

 

I said there is research showing that social alienation is a determining factor in depression. You claimed to have some knowledge of psychology. So you know this. But if you would like to be embarrassed, we can keep this going. We both know how this works. I post exactly what I just offered, and you will immediately shift the goalposts.

 

Ah my 7 year old says similar things.

 

Sometimes you have to stand up to bullying.

 

Not all people who see psychologists and psychiatrists are mentally ill unless those who go for couples therapy, coping strategy assistance or assistance with dysfunctional behaviour are mentally ill. In fact, the field of psychology covers more than the sub-field of abnormal psychology. There are probably more than a few on this thread who could benefit from therapy.

 

Hmmm. That isn't what you said in the post to which I replied. Your exact statement in question was...

Do you, or do you NOT have a link for this "research" that you claim exists? For the life of me this does not seem like a topic that is amenable to being scientifically determined, but you seem to be intimating that you have in fact found this previously non existent "research". Lets see it.

I certainly hope this isn't a situation where you are masquerading logical speculation as "research" and bogusly pretending like your opinion is more valid because it is supposedly backed by science when it actually is not.

 

So now your claim is that transgender people are somehow unique? That social factors are determinate for non-trans people . . . but not for trans people? And did you ever figure out why the suicide went up for one group, but down for the other? That seems to indicate a social influence more than some kind of genetic or chemical factor.

 

My claim is simple.

The "research" that you claimed is non-existent. That is NOT a topic that could be scientifically determined. In order to do so, you would need a placebo group of trans people that are treated well by society and then compare that to a group of trans people that is not treated well and if there is a statistically significant difference between the two groups you could then claim that research backs up that notion.

For all intents and purposes, this is not capable of being accomplished.

I wonder why it is that all of your replies are about everything OTHER than providing the research that you claim exists?

Should we conclude that you just made that claim up out of thin air in an attempt to make yourself sound like an expert of some sort?

 

Here are a few papers for you. Collectively they reference more than 100 research sources.

The largest study involving transgender people is providing long-sought insights about their health (nature.com)
Risk factors for suicide in the transgender community | European Psychiatry | Cambridge Core
Transgender Identity and Suicide Attempts and Mortality in Denmark | Public Health | JAMA | JAMA Network
Transgender‐based disparities in suicidality: A population‐based study of key predictions from four theoretical models - PMC (nih.gov)
Prevalence of suicidal thoughts and attempts in the transgender population of the world: a systematic review and meta-analysis | Annals of General Psychiatry | Full Text (biomedcentral.com)
Trends in suicide death risk in transgender people: results from the Amsterdam Cohort of Gender Dysphoria study (1972–2017) - PMC (nih.gov)
Suicide and Suicidal Behavior among Transgender Persons - PMC (nih.gov)

It all points to social/family rejection as being a major determining factor in trans suicide risks and that social/family acceptance is the key to lessening those risks.

 

RESEARCH

Your claim was "depression is a product of the way people treat them for it. A very likely alternative, backed by research, that you haven't considered."....

None of those links include RESEARCH which determines this to be the case.

What you have pointed to is speculation are papers where perhaps someone may have speculated your postulate. There is a difference between speculation and proven science resulting from research. While the speculation may be logical, when you try to shut someone else down that is also speculating by pretending to have "science" on your side when that is not the case, you are being dishonest.

There is no such RESEARCH. Your claim was dishonest. If there is something in one of those papers that you THINK constitutes research on this specific topic, by all means cut and paste it while giving the page number. We both know that is not going to happen. You THOUGHT you could just present a mountain of information that you know no one will read through. That is not a legitimate means of proving your point.

You already knew this. If you had the goods, you could not have possibly whipped it out quickly enough and we both know it.

The truth is that what you suggest could not possibly be proven scientifically. I understand this because I have worked extensively with medical studies in my career. This by no means equates to me being an expert, but it does equate to me being able to call out obvious BS.

You do NOT know this because you are employing the Dunning Kruger effect where a person with limited competence in a particular subject grossly overestimates their abilities in that subject. You have deluded yourself into thinking you have deep knowledge on the subject, presumably because you just reflexively believe that the left always knows science.

 

If you had bothered to read the links, and you haven't, then you'd know you are wrong. You asked for research. I provided over 100 sources, most if not all of them research papers. I'm sorry the facts are inconvenient for transphobia.

 

To truly believe that trans people kill themselves because how other people treat them seems to be a ridiculous position to take. Every single group on this planet gets bullied. Look at how democrats vs republicans treat each other. Why don't we see a mass suicide from those heavily involved in politics for all the personal attacks they endure? Why don't black people have a significantly higher suicide rate compared to others in America?

The reality is something is wrong with the wiring of the individual and they already feel weird to begin with. Changing gender/sex might help them find a group to relate to, but it won't change the feelings that exist to begin with. It's a chemical imbalance, a mental disorder.

 

LOL>..Yeah sure.

Then how about you actually provide a reference in any of those links so that you can actually prove me wrong?

The old okey doke where you provide a mountain of information and imply that someone is supposed to hunt through hundreds of pages to find your reference is silly. It fools exactly no one.

If you got the good whip them out, by all means. I cannot wait to see the impossible achieved!

 

It doesn't force them to. But how they are treated is, overall, the biggest factor in their mental health.

Say you've never met or spoken to a trans person without saying you've never met or spoken to a trans person. Also, check out the links. How they are treated by their own family, especially when young, was the biggest factor within the social factors. We don't have nearly as many minors driven to homelessness for liking the "wrong" political party as we do trans minors driven to homelessness, for example.

The reality is that science debunks the transphobic agenda of the OP.

 

Say you've never met or spoken to a black person with out saying you've never met or spoken to a black person.

Every single group on this planet gets bullied. Look at how democrats vs republicans treat each other. Why don't we see a mass suicide from those heavily involved in politics for all the personal attacks they endure? Why don't black people have a significantly higher suicide rate compared to others in America?

 

If I provide you with one, will you try actually reading and learning? I'll even teach you how to easily read through those quickly if you want. But I looooove the "there is no research! . . . buh, buh, wait! no fair, that's way too much research" 180.

 

See previous response explaining the differences. Try reading this time. You won't. This is only about feelings for you. Facts don't matter.

 

2nd dodge noted, lets see if you can get 3 for a strike out.

Say you've never met or spoken to a black person with out saying you've never met or spoken to a black person.

Every single group on this planet gets bullied. Look at how democrats vs republicans treat each other. Why don't we see a mass suicide from those heavily involved in politics for all the personal attacks they endure? Why don't black people have a significantly higher suicide rate compared to others in America?

 

You have pointed to exactly ZERO research that concludes that depression is a product of the way people are treated. It does NOT exist.

You have pointed to generic "research" and I don't doubt there may be one of those that makes this speculation which is logical, but a research driven conclusion? Not a chance.

 

Support your claim that black people are more likely to be alienated by their family for being black and that they have a harder time finding other black people to socialize with than trans have for finding trans social groups. Hint: If you had read what I said before, you'd understand this.