Australia: Scores arrested at anti-coronavirus lockdown protests

The problem with that philosophy is that it only has utility in a very limited number of scenarios. When a Tsunami is rolling towards you, or a war arrives at your doorstep .. this philosophy will get you killed. There are some disasters (actually plenty) which are bigger than us, and it's at these times we NEED a strong hand to help us fight.

The problem we're seeing with resistance and unwillingness to act, has arisen - I believe - from decades of safety and peace. Few of us have lived through any kind of "emergency" imposition on our activities, while earlier generations expected to experience them. IOW, we're spoiled, and no longer able to even conceive of a problem which is bigger than us. It must also be said that America seems to have suffered from this more than any other nation. It's one thing to foster industry, creativity, individualism, and freedom .. but if fostering those things leads to disaster the minute you encounter a problem requiring unity, they have diminished value. There's a balance, and America doesn't seem to have it.

 

No it won’t… why would an individual choose to stay? If they do that’s on them. Some people do try and stay and have survived them but it still shows the lack of respect for such an event for sure.

 

We've had two fully vaccinated people in hospital - both were in their 90's and already in palliative care and dying.

It's actually quite unusual for a fully vaccinated person to become seriously ill with COVID, and in almost every instance of that happening, the individual has had significant underlying health problems. It will still happen of course, but it will be largely reduced to the very unhealthy.

 

Some of us don't need the strong hand (Iron fist) of the government to avoid a virus.

 

Yes, that. It seems to be a significant problem for America.

 

FYI, I did read the details rather than just the headlines and 1) the details are rather scant and 2) I don't take the media on its word which is why I asked my friend crank what was going on in your country.

What you're describing to me sounds like the same worthless stay-at-home order we had here in Virginia that did nothing to stop the spread of the WuFlu but needlessly laid waste to our economy, destroying countless people’s livelihoods. If you and your job were deemed “essential” by our self-proclaimed “essential” masters (who were caught violating their own orders, incidentally), you were allowed to travel to work and other “essential” places - grocery stores, hardware stores, gas stations, etc.. If you and your job were deemed “unessential”, you had no job to travel to, but you were allowed to travel to the other “essential” places that “essential” people were doing business at. Otherwise, you were expected to cower in your house, or if you were less fortunate, your apartment.

That’s nice your life has changed little. You’re obviously very fortunate in that respect. As for you and the majority of the people in your state and country who supposedly support the actions of your government, it sounds like you’ve got the government you deserve - make the most of it. As for whether you’re experiencing a “crisis”, the numbers I’ve seen don’t appear to support anything remotely close to what I would consider a crisis.

As for the people you describe as “fringe idiots” who “do not represent our communities”, I don’t know if that’s true and/or if that’s a good thing. From what I gather it’s the majority of idiots who supposedly represent your communities who appear to be the problem.

 

Thinking you can beat a virus that all the worlds' best scientists can't beat, aligns with my theory.

 

Thank God the Leftists of today didn't exist during WWII. After seeking and receiving permission from Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany the United States would have surrendered after Pearl Harbor.

 

The overwhelming majority of Australians regard these people as fkn idiots and would be pleased to see them imprisoned. They can be martyrs in jail as far as I am concerned.

 

Based on actual results, 98% beat the virus. My odds are higher since I know how to maintain a strong immune system. Your theory is irrelevant when government makes your decisions for you.

 

I'll bet most if not all had not been vaxxed. These wankers are fkn idiot anti vaxxers.

 

If you're not interested in travel, and you live in a house with a garden and a family and pets, amongst neighbours who are friends, and close by your relatives, a lockdown feels like nothing. Completely painless. Often it's better than painless - and actually increases quality of life for many. I've spoken to many people who say they wish it was permanent, because their lives have improved so much.

 

Well done you. What you don't get to do is stuff around with my freedom while you selfishly exercise yours.

 

Lockdown rules vary from State to State. Sydney is hardest hit by the nasty and it is likely to have stricter rules until the numbers start to drop.

 

Only if you regard lockdown as a massive imposition and great disaster for your lifestyle. That's not a standard response here. Plenty of us are okay with it.

 

That might be your odds today, with this strain of this virus - but it could all change tomorrow. I don't think you grasp what this virus is, with respect. It's not going away, and it's going to keep mutating because of unvaccinated people. And all the while you will get older and less able to defeat it. Even now, delta is claiming young and healthy people.

 

They're not strict enough, though.

 

Current FDR: We all need to come together as American's and defeat the evil Nazis and Japanese Empire!

Current Rightists: But muh freeeeeeedoms. I don't wanna make weapons of war in my factory and buy war bonds. Whaaaaaaaaaaa

 

What freedom?

 

Yes, they are. That's exactly what we pay them for.

If they FAILED to protect their own citizens in an emergency, however .. you would have a point.

 

It's not an emergency. They've sold you on the propaganda of the virus to take your rights away.

 

Your definition of okay is irrelevant when the government is thinking for you. You have no choice but to be okay with it.

 

Do you understand anything about this virus at all?

You may desperately want it to be just like the regular flu, but it isn't - and it won't be any time soon. It would take generations to develop the immunity you're referring to, and even then it's not guaranteed. The virus could evolve to be one step ahead always.

 

It most certainly is. Let delta (or the next iteration) run wild in a largely unvaccinated world and and see what happens.

 

First of all, it's a perfectly valid and fitting metaphor in our country. Secondly, I didn't offer any advice.

Third, it's lambs who are led to slaughter. The cattle are the people who don't think and act for themselves and obediently subscribe to and obey the herd mentality and what they are told to do.