Automakers Wake Up to Reality on Electric Vehicles

I need a truck to hull all the BS in this world to the dump.

 

My Uncle (grandfather’s brother) started a trucking business in the ‘40’s and sold the business in the ‘60’s. After that made some profitable real state transactions…. and donated tons of money to a local university that continues to thrive. Just some insight to my family’s history.

 

The Problem of course is that Democrats are screaming that we should all drive EVs no matter what when half the country can't afford any sort of new car let alone an ev thats going to cost them fifty grand + for anything big enough to hold mom dad and both kids.

 

With that said (and agreed upon) it’s no wonder the auto-makers can’t make ends meet in the EV production and sales arena.

 

I'm not sure where you're getting this information.

Tesla has been profitable, but has seen profits drop like every other manufacturer.


The company reported a net profit of $1.9 billion from July through September, a 44 percent drop from the $3.3 billion Tesla made in the same three-month period a year earlier

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/business/tesla-third-quarter-earnings.html

It took Tesla a long time to get profitable in the EV sector, it will also require other manufacturers the same type of ROI. They had to retool entire assembly plants, and that cost takes time to recoup. It has yet to be seen if they are in it for the long haul or will bail. Either way, I don't think this situation really matters when discussing the politics of EVs

 

More non-sense.

Take any ICE car that is 10 years old@ and even with average mileage they would likely have 120,000 miles minimum likely more around 200k. That means new engines, new transmissions etc.

Also, now that EVs have been around long enough to get a few hundred thousand miles on them, overall battery degradation in that period amounts to about 15% loss from original capacity.

The cost of replacing an EV battery is also dropping as well as technology and energy storage improving to better longevity and reduce degradation.

 

I'm opposed to any mandated requirements in the market.

I'm a Libertarian.

 

Tesla was devoted in a stronghold basis to make EV’s work for them in a profitable manner, and with that rollercoaster ride they’ve experienced all the ups and downs but are surviving.
The other big three…. are not doing as well…. They are experiencing way more downs… and abandoning EV projects.

 

I am against any kind of interference in the market by the government though I am not a libertarian. It is just simply a matter of fact that governments really suck at business and are generally scared to death of almost any innovation at all.

 

EVs have mostly been promoted by EVangelists. The reality of electric vehicles is we're not ready for that yet.

People always talk about how you charge them at home and you can't really if you don't own your home. Eliminates everyone who's renter as a possible operator of an EV.

I think there's going to be a huge insurance cost in the coming years when they find out that you can't keep them in a lot next to other cars because they have destroy everything around them when the battery has it run away. Any kind of car accident they're pretty much likely to be totaled because the possibility that the battery is damaged is too high of a cost the thing.

It is a luxury item that's made out of trash. But that's what I think of luxury items anyway it's for people who have more money than they have sense.

The only ones with these vehicles that aren't expensive are hideously unpleasant. Stupid little death boxes that nobody wants. And you have Tesla which is probably more likely better assembled by a tornado.

 

I typically park it in the field where there's not electricity around for miles. And I don't own my home I rent it so I can't charge it at home so I can fully recharge my $8,000 used pickup truck too 480 miles of range in about 5 minutes.

people's buy what they want so you don't buy only what you need we don't live in a communist country. Technically you don't need a vehicle at all you can walk.

because I want and pickup truck they're available and you can get them pretty cheap if you're willing to buy a used one. You would have to pay me to dispose of used electric car e-waste that I charge by the pound to deal with toxic waste and scrap.

I don't have a garage, I can't install a charger at my home because I rent. So a stupid tiny little car that's useless and expensive that I have to spend hours of my day filling up versus minutes is the dumbest purchase a person can make.

Even if my truck got 5 miles to the gallon it would still be a better life and a more green option than buying an electric car.

 

I wouldn’t mind keeping up with the Jones’, but I’m kinda fond of my thirty year old Oldsmobile.

 

Your four vehicles three of which are luxury vehicles and apparently pull a camper so you're wealthy this is not really transportation for the average man it's a rich person's toy.

I have one car and it's old and used when I got it.

 

Well the motive for pushing electric cars I don't think is environmentalism because the electric cars are an environmental catastrophe. They are just going to become e-waste.

It's strictly about appearances.

 

You are shoving that crap at the wrong person. I drive cars until I can't find any parts to keep them running Proper maintenance and most Ice engine will last much closer to twice that. I had an old Maverick that I drove for nearly twenty years but the last time some moron put the wrong fluid in it and killed the transmission .and I couldn't find a replacement for it. I was closing on three hundred K, Semi trailer average about 500 k per major overhaul.

 

The left has always specialized in form over substance BS. They couldn't careless if it is good as long as it sounds good, Their real goal is the fifteen minute city where in they can keep people stuck in there malfunctioning tyrannies,

 

that's stupid. If I buy a truck and I use the truck sometime or once or twice a year. It's still way cheaper or way better than buying a dreadful electric car and I don't have to pay extra to rent a more useful vehicle when I've already bought one.

The fact that you have to rent things because the thing you own is useless and stupid means that it was a dumb purchase.

I purchased my truck used 7 years ago for $8,000. All of the maintenance and all of the fuel I purchased in those seven years is still cheaper than purchasing an electric car.

I parked my vehicle in the street I don't have a garage that's another benefit to not having an electric cars I don't have to own a house with a garage. And I have the versatility of parking in the street.

you can have my share of the electric car I don't want one.

unless you can't charge at home or at work then it's a ****ing disaster

 

I really think it's an effort to make transportation dependent on the grid. Environmentalism on the leftist side of things is always a smoke screen for communism or socialism or whatever new word they come up with to describe to same old ****.

I think 15 minutes cities are a scam to try and stop you from leaving. People are easier to control if they have less Independence.

 

If you need these were Superior to normal cars than they wouldn't need to be subsidized. People would want them so much that dealership lots wouldn't be full of them waiting to be sold.

The truth is you have to subsidize them because you have to pay people to buy something that sucks.

 

Electric bicycles and such are not very useful as transportation because they don't have very good range. You can't really fit a large capacity battery on a bike. In this case pedal powered bicycles are superior and motorcycles are superior.

 

That's kind of a self-defeating argument you have to pay for energy regardless. And your electric car simply consumes energy it doesn't convert it so you're not finding fuel the power plant that you pay your electric bill to buys the fuel

If the demand of her energy increases to the point where you have to pay 30 or 40 bucks per kilowatt hour and then road taxes to pay for the roads or if you're charged a road tax through vehicle registration then you'll be upset.

It's only convenient for you right now because very very few people actually drive these cars.

 

And that's the only way you'll get more than 1% of the population to buy them.

I would stable a horse and pay the fees to keep a horse before I buy an electric car.

 

you have the history backwards. Electric vehicles were far more common in the early 20th century and late 19th century they fell out of favor because fuel powered cars exceeded their capabilities.

It's basically been a century of playing catch up to try and grab hold of some relevance.

I would switch to a horse and buggy before I bought an electric car.

a big function of it will be hauling electric cars scrap to the toxic waste dump that they will be placed in.

 

We don't know what the future holds. Battery technology is likely at its pinnacle. The thing I think that will make an electric car viable would be some sort of solid state battery. I'm not sure car makers would use this because they want the battery to be a failure point so you buy another car. You don't do good business by manufacturing something that doesn't need to be replaced after a certain life cycle.

Cars have been made over the years more and more disposable, more and more single use. I have noticed this being a mechanic there are certain cars where they tell you you don't have to change the transmission flu id because it's a lifetime transmission fluid.

Typically dessert expensive procedures and people don't want to pay for them. But you're saying to the manufacturer okay you manufactured the vehicle to have this lifetime before I need to purchase another one from you. When doing the expensive service could possibly double the lifetime of the vehicle.

 

How are they pollution free when a good portion are powered from burned coal? Also, look at the pollution the rare metal mines leave (eg in Africa).