Automakers Wake Up to Reality on Electric Vehicles

But it isn't the only car you own. My 14-year-old truck that I purchased 7 years ago it's the only car I own it's the only one I need. If I had a second car I wouldn't know what to do with it.

 

I just buy one car that does what I needed to do and I don't have to rent all this ****. I don't have the expensive rental fees.

Because it's not electric it can be older I don't have to worry about a $13,000 battery failing. I can repair it it's cheap to operate.

You trying to sell me on the electric car lifestyle where I have to overcomplicate my life to rent a bunch of crap and maybe I can get it when I need it when it's so much simpler and so much cheaper just to buy what I need.

 

My problem with Tesla one of many problems is the build quality the other problem that's a big component of that is their absolute **** service. You'll pay anywhere between $30,000 and $120,000 for a pile of stapled together paper mache and balsa wood. And when it inevitably breaks you'll be out of that car for however long it takes for them to get around to ****ing with it it's not a car company it's a tech company. If I need to fix my Ford I can run down to the parts house and get parts for it and bolt them up. If it's more than I can deal with I can find a mechanic shop and pay them to do it.

The best electric car to have I think is the Tesla not because it's a good car or anything but because you have the Tesla Network. But even then I'd have a hard time paying a couple thousand dollars for the car versus let alone the $30,000 that he's asking.

I can buy a used golf cart if I really want an electric vehicle

 

I think that the automakers freezing their support for EVs should be a wake-up call that the major auto brands aren't serious about their support of EVs and much less affordable EVs. This is why Tesla deserves all of its government benefits and favors and more. Tesla deserves to be the government-backed monopoly on EVs.

 

But we deserve more than Tesla.

Can you imagine a dystopian future or the only car you can buy is that hideous poorly built paper mache and balsa wood rolling garbage can

 

Tesla sells more than one vehicle! I saw that wooden atrocity btw, but I thought it was just a PR stunt.

Anyway, Tesla's power plug has been named the standard plug for American EVs starting in 2025. Don't tell me that would have happened if Tesla wasn't the government favorite. Tesla is winning!

Other automakers can make EVs, but now we can't trust them not to kill off EVs at a moment's notice in the name of profit.

Tesla is also getting special government favor as other EV makers made a bid and were denied the same ability that Tesla alone has to bypass car dealers and sell directly to customers.

Tesla is already in the EV monopoly position.

 

yes, people said if God wanted us to fly, he would of gave us wings once too....

EV's will have their place as will ICE

 

If you're having to replace an engine around 120k miles then you have bought a completely crappy vehicle or you seriously do not know how to keep up general maintenance. Engines are just getting broken in at 100k miles. Its around the 300k mark that you have to start watching engines. And it only costs 40-50 dollars to change the oil, assuming you have someone else do it even.

 

A grid that in CA can't simultaneously power your air conditioner and charge you EV with an EV fleet less than 10% of the total.

 

NASA

 

all of the models I've seen are poorly built. If you have a problem with quality it's not just going to be systemic in one model it's going to be systemic throughout the entire manufacturing process.

I was being facetious when I mentioned balsa wood. I was suggesting that they're not well built. I've seen kias with the better build quality.

I don't care you'll still have to pay me money to take a Tesla. They are poorly built trash cans on wheels.

I've worked as a mechanic for 20 years and I have never seen something that expensive be that ****

Other automakers can make EVs, but now we can't trust them not to kill off EVs at a moment's notice in the name of profit.

Tesla is also getting special government favor as other EV makers made a bid and were denied the same ability that Tesla alone has to bypass car dealers and sell directly to customers.

not even close. I bet in a couple of months you can get a Ford Mach e for a song.

 

If you wanted to do something that was Green with your car I mean you wanted to be really nice to the environment. What you would do is buy a used car because that's the greenest car you can buy. Nobody had to produce something new and you're saving a bunch of plastic from the landfill. And if you wanted a green fuel you would use ethanol. The amount of carbon dioxide the plants you grow to produce ethanol absorbs and the time it takes to grow it would offset the amount of carbon produced by burning the ethanol or planting and harvesting the crop and refining it into fuel

If you think about it it's solar energy because these things make the energy they need to grow and produce a crop from the Sun.

But no we don't want to do that because that doesn't give authority over whether or not you travel to a very specific entity.

 

OK, good luck with that, Mr. Boatman. I don't mind.
EVs are for the upper middle class, not the working class.

 

That's OK, so the EVs are not for you. Nobody is forcing you to buy an EV, right?

Then why were ICE cars subsidized in the "cash for clunkers" program? Forgot?

Then buy a house with solar panels and you will have free electricity for your EV.
Oh, I forgot, home prices are outrageous right now. Well, bad luck, I guess.

 

OK, that's a valid argument but we have to start somewhere. Can't be stuck with oil until we run out of it. Gotta think in advance.

 

technically no they're trying to make it to where those the only cars that you can buy after a certain point so yeah that's a form of forcing you but it won't happen because electric cars are not viable.

idiots in Washington being idiots in Washington. No I didn't forget. I do not support any subsidies for any cars or any industry whatsoever. 100% of all subsidies for all sorts of these purchases should stop immediately.

The taxpayer doesn't need to pay Elon musk welfare it isn't you getting the discount it's money going straight to Elon musk so he can buy another Mansion or whatever the **** he does with his money. Notice how the price dropped precisely the amount that the government subsidized so the money is not going to you it's going to Musk. It's corporate welfare in every ****ing penny of that should stop immediately.

If you can't sell a car with government gimmicks to make it feel like the person's getting a deal that they're not really getting then you shouldn't be selling cars at all. Do you have to trick people into buying them it's because they're garbage.

Cash for clunkers what it's about tricking people into selling their cars. I think that was a scam to remove older cars that could function without a lot of tech.

send me a check for $300,000 and I'll consider it. Also you may be able to drive about 30 miles a month charging your electric car with worthless solar panels.

I'm doing just fine I don't need some stupid electric car for a fashion statement. My old pick up truck works fine and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than some hideous trash can on wheels.

 

No, I am not. Electric cars are not for everyone but a great deal of the population could eventually benefit from EVs because many people mainly drive to work and don't need pickups, trucks, semis, vans, bulldozers and such. Well, if you have a "peasant" lifestyle please keep your pickup truck.

 

Well, it won't happen before 2035 or something, so a long time to go. And as I remember, you are a religious folk,

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...false-religion.612221/page-11#post-1074355936

so don't worry, the End of the World and the Second Coming of Christ would happen long before they ban ICE cars.

 

I tell people that they're not just gung ho about having an electric car it's not for them. People do ask me for car buying advice because I'm a mechanic. If they ask about electric cars I tell them charging Network for Tesla is good but the product poorly built and impossible to service. If you buy an electric car Ford or GM or Volkswagen or something like that product is going to be good but you're going to compromise on the charging Network.

 

I don't think it's going to happen for a long time after 35 I don't think it will happen by 2050.

We have to come up with better batteries we have to come up with a better charging we have to come up with a better way to produce electricity

I still think the second coming of the Revelation is when you die.

 

Personal experience refutes this claim.

 

No personal experience cannot violate the laws of physics. You can only fit so many batteries in a motorcycle frame.

 

The only 'violation' is an occasional excess of the speed limit.

 

No they have very limited range. I don't care how fast it can go it can't go very far.

 

I have an electric bicycle (American, by the way), the range is 30-40 miles on a single charge.
However, a bicycle is a "city transport". Commuting by bike more than 3-4 miles in one direction is annoying and time consuming. Plus, a bike is meaningless in a very hot or very cold weather, in rain or snow. It has it's limitations for sure. But it's a lot of fun in good weather and at short distances, and priceless for traveling within the city. Again, it's a city transport, not a commuter for the suburbanites.