Avdiivka, Longtime Stronghold for Ukraine, Falls to Russians

Money for more judges and border patrol agents to process more migrants. How many Republicans in the Senate voted for the bill and who were they? Not one Republican who aligned with the House Freedom Caucus. Nothing at this point will make Biden look good on immigration. He had 3 years to close the border. Only now is he calling it a crisis.

 

Not my point. The facts ares there was a deal, it was a compromise and a significant % of representatives on both sides had signed up to it. And then promptly it crashed a burned anyway. You were the one mourning the apparent lack of any such deal and rightly so. Now we're back to square one. Hopefully something can be negotiated without having to wait for results of the 24 election. Unfortunately the pessimist in me thinks the odds of that happening aren't great.

US immigration policy is a mess and has been for decades, with both sides of Politics to blame. Trump's wall? Doesn't address any of the other major issues like the pressing in the US need for labor in the agricultural sector or the steadily declining birth rate (by 2030 current projections place the birth rate at 1.75 per woman, well below the 2.1 figure needed to maintain the population. Without immigration? The US would is facing the same demographic time bomb as the rest of the developed world.

 

It's sad that anybody would think this excuses what Russia has done.

 

What percentage of Ukrainians wanted to join NATO in 2014?

 

More than 50%....after 2014....everyone in the East is looking to join NATO....I remain master strategist.

 

What did the Democrats give up in this "compromise?"

 

I would have to look up the details, which you could and probably should do for yourself anyway. All I recall though from memory it involved more funding for certain border enforcement related measures that were important to Republicans in exchange for releasing more funding to Ukraine which is an important issue for Democrats (and a not inconsiderable number Republicans as well). Trump kiboshed it.

 

You just spewed a silly fact free narrative. After everything that happened from 2020-2024 that your average leftist today really is dumber than dog feces, is very much totalitarian, is the most racist group in America today, and is extremely propagandized without even know it. So please stop projecting your own sode's failures on to everyone else.

Thanks.

 

That was literally the offer they made to Democrats. Sadly, Democrats decided to lie and instead work with just two RINO corporatists who wanted to codify open borders while removing future president's ability to do anything about it. It was just a poison pill for stupid people which didn't give Republicans anything they wanted (namely power to end illegal immigration, deport the illegals, reform asylum to stop abusers who lie and make fake asylum claims (96% of all people who make asylum claims), but Democrats blocked all of that.

 

^^^^^^^^ The ISW was founded and is ran by Victoria Nuland's brother and sister-in-law. Damn near every word of this crap above is fake news propaganda.

There was no 'revolution of dignity', there was a Coup orchestrated by the US, Victoria Nuland front and center. The Rada did vote, and the vote failed. Yanukovych's motorcade was fired upon by CIA backed ukie nazis/terrorists, except Yanukovych left in a helicopter to Kharkiv.....a switch-a-roo. He was in ukraine when the illegal government took control. Coup complete, CIA approved.

Talk of undermining ukraine's sovereignty by the ISW.....after the ISW's kinfolk tried to assassinate the last democratically elected President of ukraine..

 

You didn't read even the outline of it, did you? Because, no, it didn't offer Republicans a single thing they wanted. Not one. That is why the Senate refused to allow any negotiations with the house leadership at all on the topic.

If you actually want to make a deal then each side has to get something it wants. Dems and just two corporatist RINOs decided they would put everything they wanted into a bill, lie and claim that was a compromise, then pretend to be surprised that Republicans rejected a bill which gave them nothing at all.

 

Biden literally opened the borders on his first day in office with presidential orders. He opened it and he can close it any time he wants but to this day he is refusing to do so. Or, rather, who have controls the brain dead Biden puppet does.

 

I didn't mention Ukraine and did mention the other countries who Putin wants to pretend are slaves of his dictatorship and can't make decisions of their own.

 

So your saying a deal that granted US President powers to immediately expel migrants if authorities become overwhelmed with asylum claims, that expanded detention at the border and if passed would have seen asylum applications at the border subjected to quicker and tougher enforcement was not something Republicans would ever want. That all these were bad ideas from their perspective. Because ..... honestly? That's what was on offer and many of the policies in the deal were in fact past conservative/Republican policy calls which some sections of the Democratic Party were stoutly opposed to.

Or is just the fact that Trump didn't want it passed that made it a 'bad' deal?

 

A majority of Republicans believe the 2020 election was rigged. Putin is out there claiming it was rigged.

I'm not on a side here. Both sides are full of idiots, but Russia is targeting conservatives in particular. If you doubt me, as you always should, you can read the Mueller Report and get informed.

 

Whether it was 'rigged' or not, we have the old fart we have now in the WH and it's been long time to accept it. And I accept it. To be fair to him, he's walking a tight rope with Ukraine. They are asking for these lethal weapons, arguing it could help turn the tide. But how decisively, and how quickly though?

If it can't decide things quickly and decisively, the escalation risks becoming a protracted warfare with the Russians. Funding a proxy conflict and telling ourselves it'd take them 18 years to rebuild their military is one thing, but actively fighting them? We don't want to cross that bridge.

And if it could decisively and quickly turn the tide, then we might as well do it ourselves since at least we could have control over our own weapons and not face an Al-Qaeda 2.0 in Europe.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrai...14, polls showed,when Yanukovych was in power.

"Since June 2014, polls showed that about 50% of those asked supported Ukrainian NATO membership.[18][19][20][21]

"A 2017 poll found that some 69% of Ukrainians wanted to join NATO, compared to 28% in 2012 when Yanukovych was in power.[22]

"On 30 September 2022, Ukraine formally applied to join NATO, following Russia's annexation of Southern and Eastern Ukraine.[23]["

Nothing like an illegal coup to transform a populations desire to join NATO.

 

NATO lost its only legitimate reason for existence when the Warsaw Pact dissolved; its principle function today is to stimulate western arms sales and spike oil prices at strategic times.

 

There was no 'revolution of dignity', there was a Coup orchestrated by the US, Victoria Nuland front and center. The Rada did vote, and the vote failed. Yanukovych's motorcade was fired upon by CIA backed ukie nazis/terrorists, except Yanukovych left in a helicopter to Kharkiv.....a switch-a-roo. He was in ukraine when the illegal government took control. Coup complete, CIA approved.

That is 100% false.

 

"Nothing like an illegal coup to transform a populations desire"???

Uh huh...sure....those were free and transparent numbers....without coercion or guns at their backs.....unlike the LDPR sham "elections" and Crimea where it was 112% support and turnout with no international observers what so ever.....sure dude whatever.....I have some great beachfront real estate here in the Dakotas to sell ya..

 

Jealousy is an awful bit**!

 

You are either uninformed, misinformed or lying. The vote failed. He was not impeached.

Article 111 of the ukrainian Constitution obliges the Rada to establish a special investigatory commission to formulate charges against the president, seek evidence to justify the charges and come to conclusions about the president’s guilt for the Rada to consider. To find the president guilty, at least two-thirds of Rada members must assent.

Prior to a final vote to remove the president from power, the procedure requires

• the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to review the case and certify that the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration has been followed, and
• the Supreme Court of Ukraine to certify that the acts of which the President is accused are worthy of impeachment.

To remove the president from power, at least three-quarters of Rada members must assent.

The Rada didn’t follow this procedure at all. No investigatory commission was established and the Courts were not involved. On 22 February, the Rada simply passed a bill removing President Yanukovych from office.

Furthermore, the bill wasn’t even supported by three-quarters of Rada members as required by Article 111

^^^^^^^^

Skipped every step Jack. Every step of the ukie constitution. That's called an illegal Coup.

 

OK....and your supportive links for this are what?....Bill?

 

Yawn, the same old fact free lies out of the Putinist.

 

I know you need to think that Trump is the one responsible, but what happened was almost inevitable given the history of previous secret negotiations on the border. The reason why they were secret in the first place is to keep the details from House Republicans. So it was never going to fly.

To me, the compromise was giving money for Ukraine and Israel and the GOP getting something like HR2 for the border. What was actually produced was nothing like that. So therefore no bill.