Avdiivka, Longtime Stronghold for Ukraine, Falls to Russians

Neither of those claims was the topic.

 

A history refresher.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, February 20, 2024
Feb 20, 2024 - ISW Press



Ukraine has been defending itself against illegal Russian military intervention and aggression for 10 years. Russia violated its commitments to respect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity and began its now decade-long military intervention in Ukraine on February 20, 2014 when Russian soldiers without identifying insignia (also known colloquially as “little green men” and, under international law, as illegal combatants), deployed to Crimea. The deployment of these Russian soldiers out of uniform followed months of protests in Ukraine against pro-Russian Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for refusing to sign an association agreement with the European Union (EU) that the Ukrainian Rada had approved.The Yanukovych government killed and otherwise abused peaceful Ukrainian protestors, leading to an organized protest movement calling for Yanukovych’s resignation. This Ukrainian movement — the Euromaidan Movement — culminated in Ukraine’s Revolution of Dignity during which the Rada voted to oust Yanukovych who then fled to Russia with the Kremlin’s aid. Russian President Vladimir Putin viewed these events as intolerable and launched a hybrid war against Ukraine as the Euromaidan Movement was still underway with the goal of reestablishing Russian control over all of Ukraine. Russia’s military intervention in Crimea and the Donbas in 2014 violated numerous Russian international commitments to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, including Russia’s recognition of Ukraine as an independent state in 1991 and the 1994 Budapest Memorandum in which Russia specifically committed not to undermine Ukraine’s sovereignty or territorial integrity.

 

Not at all a question that matters ... the next fellow not gonna give Crimea back to Ukraine either.

That you call what Congress has to say "Kremlin Nazi Lies" is the pathetic thing here friend

 

When Kerch comes crashing down gifty....by Taurus missiles....Putler will dangle from a lamppost somewhere....he's been warned.

 

Feb 20 is not "History" mate .. more like current affairs .. and currently Russia is controlling a whole lot of Territory that used to be Ukraine- your claim that this is not true .. the one needing a history refresher.

Since when did Ukraine win back any territory beyond the first line of defense Jack .. do you have some history to reveal that the neither side is telling us ? Tell us about these falsehoods you have uncovered !

 

Congress never said what you claimed. How dishonest of you.

 

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16117-document-06-record-conversation-between

Baker: "If that happens, our troops will return home. We will leave any country that does not desire our presence. The American people have always had a strong position favoring this. However, if the current West German leadership is at the head of a unified Germany then they have said to us they will be against our withdrawal. And the last point. NATO is the mechanism for securing the U.S. presence in Europe. If NATO is liquidated, there will be no such mechanism in Europe. We understand that not only for the Soviet Union but for other European countries as well it is important to have guarantees that if the United States keeps its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction. We believe that consultations and discussions within the framework of the “two + four” mechanism should guarantee that Germany’s unification will not lead to NATO’s military organization spreading to the east."

[snip]

"I want to ask you a question, and you need not answer it right now. Supposing unification takes place, what would you prefer: a united Germany outside of NATO, absolutely independent and without American troops; or a united Germany keeping its connections with NATO, but with the guarantee that NATO’s jurisprudence or troops will not spread east of the present boundary?"

Gorbachev: "We will think everything over. We intend to discuss all these questions in depth at the leadership level. It goes without saying that a broadening of the NATO zone is not acceptable."

Baker: "We agree with that."

 

Where's the official document?


No document...no signatories...no **** all.

NATO continues to expand.

 

Congress indeed sanctioned the Azov Nazi's -- Tell us what you claiming was said about congress .. prior to running around crying out "How dishonest"

Who is the dishonest one making unsupported accusations ? If you are going to call names .. back up your claims and state exactly what was stated .. that you claim Congress never said .. so we can all judge who is the dishonest one running around name calling and in doing so deflecting from the topic strawman fallacy.

 

Don't need no document to tell you that NATO expansion was one of the main reasons for the annexation of Crimea .. Putin put a Big Fat Red Line out there for all NATO to see .. but worry not Zoomer .. Nato will not be expanding into Ukraine

 

"Don't need no document"....well yeah you do gifty....not very clever statement dude....just shows youf lack of understanding and what an "arguement" is.


Like I said...."where's the docs"?


NATO will not be expanding I to Ukraine"??

It has already gifter....it's de facto NATO....just like Finland/Sweden.

Baltic/Black Sea is lost for the Orc symphony....gifty.

Need to keep up ...man.

 

Congress never said what you claimed.

 

Yep, and as US "leaders" have noted from the start, they will keep the war going to the very last drop of Ukrainian blood.

 

Provide this "note" from the leaders?

 

this is hilarious....

awwwww bless your widdle heart....posted as tears tumble fweely down his widdle cheeks....mate, why are you moaning about this? You're loving this war, it's almost become your raison d'être..."look everyone I can moan and groan on social media even more about the nasty US and it's nasty leaders and how they are making life hard for nice widdle Mr. Putin!!" ....

 

My comment was relevant/intended ONLY for those who pay attention to details and recent history. I thought you had me on ignore?

 

I do pay attention....you haven't posted anything credible in regards to this.

I don't have you on ignore.... yet?.....I'm still enjoying the comedy though....but give me a reason....I'll put you on iggy.

 

I've got a few of them on...it gets soooooo tedious reading the same old garbage..NATO... Nazis ....huge bloody yawn...

 

Same. When people regularly post absurdities and are close-minded, I view them as trolls and treat them accordingly.

 

It was never agreed to formally, never put down in anything but notes from a meeting. The fascists in the Kremlin don't even have this rickety leg to stand on.

 

.....the absurd thing about all the idiots that keep warbling on about this NATO crap is that they're trying to push this concept onto an audience that doesn't share Putin's view of the world, the world as seen through Putin's lens....through the narratives that Putin and Dugin and Malofeyev etc. have created and crafted for themselves. It's an ethereal construct of a Russia manufactured through an ahistoric lens and then plonked in another fabricated world...in other words a fantasy within a fantasy. This is the reason why these ridiculous shills, who are trying to weave this NATO narrative into these conversations, just make themselves sound absurd and should simply be ignored.

Even the useless idiots on this board who spout the crap don't understand what they are actually writing because even they can't fathom the worldview that Putin inhabits....this place when Russia is the hapless victim...where Russia is simply an impotent observer in a game which it's not allowed to play in....a world in which Russia has no agency. Its simply stupid and so are the ones who push it.

 

The lies of the Russian dictator pretends people in countries which are twice the population of Russia some how have no right to self determination. They are independent Democratic countries who get to decide their own policies and neither Russia nor its dictator gets any say in the matter.

That is how you can tell the pro-Putler posters here are not Americans or westerners like they falsely claim. They are just accounts run by paid Russian shills with probably just one or two people running all the accounts. No westerners would say a foreign dictator gets to decide the future of 500 million people in independent Democratic countries.

 

That's why they target conservatives with this stuff. Especially in America. They're prone to believing in silly, fact-free narratives.

 

If Biden actually secured the border Republicans might give him the aid he’s asking for. It’s called compromising.

 

They did have a deal!

It was a compromise, just like you described, one that gave both sides most of what they wanted. It had the numbers in Congress and was ready to go. Right up until the moment Trump told them 'he' didn't want it. The reasoning? A deal on the border now would deprive Trump of one of his major lines of attack/talking points during the upcoming election.

Trump only wants a 'deal' done when he's the one making it. Because in his mind any deal involving him is a winner. Any deal he has no involvement in or can't claim credit for? Take a wild guess.