Berkeley Pro Free Speech Protesters Chase Out AntiFA

Actually the pro free speech crowd was diverse and made up of everyone BUT nazis. They had permits to hold a free speech rally and the police ensured that none of THEM had weapons anyone who did was disarmed.

No effort was made to disarm antifa who showed up with an arsenal of various weapons to attack the free speech supporters.

Yes the police should have arrested as many antifa protesters as possible as they were the violent aggressors.

You need to get your facts straight.

 

You said you would not condemn non deadly violence against nazis.

This implies you are ok with initiating violence against nazis simply because they are nazis as long as it is not deadly.

Has it ever occurred to you that free speech applies to nazis as well?

 

Any man OR woman who initiates violence is a coward. Defending yourself violently AGAINST a man OR woman is not cowardice.

Now in this specific case of the antifa porn star the video clearly shows her squaring off and raising her fists before being hit.

What it does not show is what was in her right hand as you can clearly see in this shot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/65y5mr/the_hairy_and_violent_antifa_porn_girl_who_was/

Yes that's a bottle in her hand. Immediately before being hit she was squaring up with a weapon.

Then there is this little gem which turns out to be her facebook post immediately before going to crash the free speech rally with antifa. She clearly states she was hoping to collect 100 nazi scalps.

http://ourfuturesucks.com/2017/04/17/exposed-antifa-girl-goes-looking-for-trouble-finds-it-all-over/

Never mind the fact that there were no nazis there.

Collecting scalps may be metaphoric but it leaves little doubt that she had violent INTENT.

Now I will admit that unless someone strikes first it is often difficult to provide evidence of self defense. But anyone who has ever had to defend themselves will tell you it makes little sense to wait for the first blow. If someone intends to immediately launch an attack and strike you it IS self defense to strike quicker and first.

In this case I think it is pretty clear the guy was justified in taking her out. She intended violence and had a weapon in hand and was moving to attack.

So if you disagree please explain why.

If you are going to maintain that no man has any business hitting a woman under ANY circumstances even in self defense than just forget it because that belief is ridiculous and not very smart.

 

Cobb is the racist, bigot

 

That's your ignorantly uninformed opinion, anyway, that seems based purely on geography as much as anything else.
A closer look at actual facts however reveals something you couldn't possibly have noticed at your bigoted eye level view.

 

That, so called, woman got what it had coming to it.

 

I'm curious as to how you came to that brilliant conclusion of every person's ideology in this. Because to me it looks like you're just trying to paint this crowd as a bunch of angels. And I like how everybody is concentrating on one person in this entire debacle, and ignoring the obvious Trump supporters sucker-punching and just wailing on people on the ground.

Look, the fact is that each side has agitators. It does us no good to retreat back into our respective bunkers and pretend otherwise. There are countless stories of Trump supporters promoting, encouraging, and engaging in violence. Remember that old dude that sucker punched a protester at a rally as he was being led outside by security while Trump was still campaigning? **** happens on both sides. Hell, just look at the Youtube comments for these videos and you'll see them cheering on violent actions.

 

It's on now. It's been coming since at least last summer with the leftist anti-Trump mania and exploded with his glorious victory. Anyway, you don't put that violence genie back in the bottle.

 

No one tried to paint them as Angels. They did in fact have a permit from the city to assemble and hold a rally for free speech. Antifa did not and went to attack.

The free speech protesters were varied and diverse antifa was not.

The very names give it away. Free speech VS ( anyone against free speech ).

Sorry your lame and failed attempt to equivocate is a massive failure proven by facts.

The free speech protesters had no weapons antifa DID.

Yes it happens on both sides but far more so on the left.

The very fact that it was not a pro trump rally but a free speech rally which faced opposition destroys your claims

 

Fantastic.

Now we're to revel in 1930's Germany type of political discourse.

Fantastic.

 

Exactly what it reminds me of, those old 30s newsreels. Anyway, it's on.

 

Oh and that poor innocent far left girl? She was sporting glass bottles as weapons before getting socked.

http://theralphretort.com/nathan-da...lass-bottles-as-weapons-before-punch-4017017/

 

I like you you're claiming that the free speech protesters were varied, but then go ahead and claim "Oh, but there were ZERO Nazis there," as if stating it over and over again somehow lends evidence to it.

Right, I forgot how names somehow make something true. Just like how North Korea really is a Democratic Republic, right?

Dude, the video in the OP clearly shows a guy sporting a MAGA hat gripping a bat at 35 seconds in. You're not fooling anyone.

Oh yeah, do you have some actual statistics to back this up?

What claims? I literally didn't make any claims in my post other than "both sides can be violent". What in the literal **** are you talking about? By the way, weird that these people who all those people are wearing MAGA hats considering this isn't a pro-Trump rally.

And by the way, **** Antifa.

 

I don't have a side.

 

Do you have evidence of nazis? Claiming they were there means nothing and it is ludicrous to assume that there were.

Antifa and many leftists position is trump = nazi which is a lie.

There is no evidence that the free speech rally was anything but what it describes there is however every bit of evidence that anti fa is pro fascist.

Many videos have been posted here which one do you refer to?

Only a minority of them wore MAGA hats and those who did are in fact expressing an idea.

I have posted video after video of OTHER days and places where people were attacked by left wingers for their expression. Other than the one guy in the trump campaign you mentioned what do you have to refute me?

Your spin is fail

 

Really? All RWers will condemn and distance. All LWers will not. Guess it's why I'm not left or right.

What you call left is your problem. I think everything you don't like you automatically label left.

Again, I don't call antifa left of right. They are criminals. I've already said that. You are the one who wants to place arbitrary labels on things you don't like.

 

You DID admit they are criminals but whether you like it or not they are left wing criminals perhaps you can name an organization of right wingers dedicated to trampling free speech?

 

What leftists associate with them?
I guess you need to define leftist. You're probably like soupnazi, anything you don't like or is anti gov't is leftist to you.

I've seen plenty of RW nutters against gov't as well.

 

That is not like me and most of the so called nutters you refer to who are against government are not running around trying to consistently attack people on the other side of the political aisle.

 

Every time the right wants to shut down one's rights can be seen as squashing free speech. At least one's personal freedoms.
LGBT
Women's rights.
I don't need to go further. Many on the RW has been trying to limit people's freedoms and choices.

 

Not sure what kind of lies you're trying to spew. But it isn't working here.
I can tell you have nothing to say about truth.

 

delete because this website has no good way to cancel a post

 

Err, I didn't make a blanket statement one way or the other, I was just making fun of your blanket statement because it looked like straight up apologist behavior.

Yeah, not making that claim.

Err, no, they're thugs. Fascism has a pretty standard political ideology definition, and it doesn't include just behaving like *******s.

I said the OP. The original post in this thread. 35 seconds in, carrying a bat, you apologist. How do you explain that? Must have been some antifa member's bat, huh?

And I'm expressing the idea that your blanket statements can in fact be torn down by actually looking at the videos. Calling it a "free speech" rally is a bit disingenuous when it was clearly a partisan event with Trump supporters likely dominating the attendance.

Are we talking about just right vs left here, or Trump supporters? Because go look up the neo-Nazi "rallies". Dudes thrive off of violence.

 

The KKK? Any white supremacist group?

 

The left has both good and bad parts. Some basically good parts may be equal rights, environmentalism, common welfare instead of harsh competition. But all the totalitarian regimes of the Eastern Bloc, Stalin, Mao and the like, were also parts of the left; saying it was not so is plain denialism.

So what do you do, if you run a leftist movement and want a system of violent tyranny, with gulags, mass executions, manufactured famines, intelligence spying upon and oppressing the entire population? Something like Stalin's USSR. And before you get that, you want to rule the streets with violence, intimidate people to back away from any political expression in public, to not dare to join any undesirable organization?

If you want public tolerance and acceptance for that, you look for a greater evil (even if it's long gone and only endorsed by a few fringe groups), say you're the only remedy against it, and it's about to immediately take over. Proclaim a state of emergency where you're entitled to cancel all civil rights, and your militias get an extralegal state to never be prosecuted by police and judges.

So, that's the Antifa. While equal rights groups and environmentalists may be the good side of the left, Antifa is the evil side. As long as a regular government exists and works at least half-way, they will use sticks, stones, bottles, arson, explosives, and occassionally murder. Once they get the full power... just remember Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and whatever was there in the 20th century!

I don't know why neo-Nazis sometimes appear in the USA, and I think they are really just fringe groups, overrated by media. But now, the bad, old communism is definitely making a return... including Soviet flags in Berkeley.