Best home defense weapon

While I agree that is scary....this is REALLY SCARY!!!



When my pitbull passes away...I am getting one of these!

 

Aside from good lighting, and possibly alarms/cameras/dogs... I'd like to nominate the Kel-Tec Pmr-30.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/

Don't laugh at the fact that it's a 22mag. A 22 is one of the worst rounds to get hit with... due to the fact that it's probably not going to punch through... but rather cause all manner of internal damage... and god help you should the round fragment (don't forget our own military issue is basically 22 caliber). This pistol carries 30 rounds of 22 mag A single well placed round will do the trick, and if it turns into a skirmish... guess who will not need to reload...

I guess someone could roll up with a glock, with a ridiculously extended mag, or a gauge... but statistically not likely.

 

Well, I out shot everyone at my CCW course, self-defense inside the home, and self defense outside the home courses. So I do not think your assertion is accurate in any sense. I have a shotgun as well, the only targets I miss are clay pigeons. However that is beside the point and irrelevant.

I am simply pointing out the obvious, shotguns do not have magical properties that negate the necessity of aiming. A spread of only 5" at 5yds. is not that great.

 

The massive internal damage occurs after the fact, internal bleeding occurring over the course of minutes is not likely to stop an attacker before he violates your personal space.. What you want is enough energy to cause a single traumatic would, then follow it up with another. You figure a .22 mag is less than 300ftlbs of energy out of a handguns, a .45 is around 500ftlbs. of energy, double the bullet diameter, and about six time the bullet weight.

As for the military issuing a .22, no they don't. The 5.56 NATO has about 10x the energy of a .22LR. Bullet diameter does not define the relation between cartridges.

 

What do you think your odds are of taking a hit to center mass (or head shot if lucky) with a 22 mag and still being able to fight? What are the odds that you'll not be shot again? If you're aggressive, they'll likely keep firing on you.

The 22 round "tumbles" internally. The round may strike a rib for example causing the round to change trajectory while sending frags in different directions. That can have a very immediate consequence, "knock down" power is not essential, especially in a situation where you're firing from your bed to your bedroom doorway etc.

I know the difference between a 223 and a 22, I was pointing out the fact that you definitely don't need a large diameter projectile, or several projectiles to be lethal, especially in close quarters. It's a common held misconception.

Another advantage of the 22/mag is low recoil, which result in far more control which is important when dealing with a moving target in a stressful situation. Both the 9 and 45 can be difficult to fire rapidly with accuracy, that's mainly due to the recoil.

 

Regardless of the weapon you choose, it's going to come down to who takes control of the situation first.

You could be armed with an AA-12, the intruder could have a 25 cal single shot POS and still win if he catches you off guard or decides to shoot first.

 

With a .22 mag? Much more likely then if you hit someone with a 230gr. projectile instead of a 30gr. projectile. There is a reason why self-defense handguns are typically centerfire over rimfire cartridges.

A .22 mag simply is not going to frag like that, it lacks the velocity to do so. It may bounce around, however that is a far cry from immediate trauma. I would much rather have a traumatic initial wound over one that will cause blood loss over time.

Distance may not always be a factor, to count on having 21ft. is a bit unrealistic.

True, however the argument should not be used for the .22 mag. There is still a substantial difference between the 5.56 NATO and the .22 mag.

Neither one of the those are difficult to control, especially not a 9mm.

 

That depends on where you live, or if Mom and Dad protect you.
Some folks live so far out, police won't be able to save you, not by a long shot.

As for personal security, I'll go with this.

 

Problem with the cell phone is that the police are at the very least several minutes away.

Better to have something that may resolve the issue well before then if the need arises.

 

I agree...she is imposing. Does she charge you buy the hour to stand in front of your house? Does she come with the gun or do you provide it for her?

 

I agree. I also think that a major disadvantage of shotguns is maneuverability. Shotgun fans--take your unloaded shotgun, and just attempt to point it at an imaginary burglar in your house (nobody else being home when you do this). It's much easier said than done. Do the same with your pistol. For that reason, a 9mm is my choice for a home defense gun.

 

Same here, I prefer my M&P 45 over long guns. I have an AR in the corner, but the handgun is a bit more versatile.

 

Gallon of moonshine should do it.

 

FTW.

 

That would certainly do the trick. lol Not a big fan of lo magazine capacities though.

 

Shotgun of course. Preferably a pump. No debate needed.

 

I wouldn't want a long rifle for home defense, not even an M4. I guess one of those m-15 "pistols" would be alright. An mp5 would definitely suffice. But I'd much rather have small, light, with high capacity.

Check out this gel test. Good penetration, decent expansion, and fragmentation.

http://brassfetcher.com/22MagnumVariousRifle.html

This ballistic gel test was done with a .22mag rifle, so it definitely has more velocity than what the pmr-30 could produce, yet at close quarters it's not going to matter.

I witnessed a guy get shot (in self defense) at a distance of about 15ft with a .22lr. I'll never forget the sound of a round hitting flesh. The round entered just above his left hip. He grabbed his stomach, dropped like a rock, went straight to his knees, then to hands and knees, then finally on his back where he laid staring at the ceiling until the paramedics came for him. He was "pronounced dead" at the hospital. Afterwards it came to light that he had so much internal bleeding, so many organs damaged that he wouldn't have made it anyways. He was stopped dead in his tracks. I have full faith that a 22mag... especially with a 40 grain load is plenty for self defense in close quarters.

I'm simply talking about the size of the projectile.

I know that's not true, especially in comparison to a .22lr or .22mag. I've owned both .45 and 9mm. Rapid fire control and accuracy will be much greater with the .22mag.

 

Once again, kel-tec offers up a solution. 15 rounds of 12ga., 14+1 in the tube. I like that it's a bullpup as well.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg/

I owned their sub-2000 in 9mm. It was nice, folded in half, reasonably accurate and reliable.

 

Well, you have faith in a rimfire, however I will stick with six times the bullets weight and twice the diameter.

 

I have seen that on thefirearmsblog.com....... me wants.

 

Might as well get some Canadian input

 

Pics...PICS...

Don't know though. You'd be ok unless the "s" fell off his speedos...

Guns. Who wants to live like that? Fortress society.

 

As I said, walk through your house with an unloaded shotgun, and see how hard it is to come to bear. Do the same with a pistol. No contest. Pistol wins, unless you have a much more open house than I do.

 

they're beautiful animals!

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I like the shotgun myself

It was no problem plus if you're a little frightened your adrenaline will take over