Beware what you wish for: Russia is ready for war

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Fallen, May 22, 2016.

  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Listen to the whine and disingenuous misrepresentation of one caught in the act of trolling.
     
  2. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

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    Cool propaganda piece. Where are the facts? Or is the similarities between the articles the only thing supporting it? Quite baseless

    So you say that the 12% minority should dictate the 88% majority?

    I thought that democracy was the rule of majority?

    Democracy - control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.

    And you keep running from that question some brainwashed coward

    What if there was a Russian backed coup in 100 overseas bases (1 out of 10)? I'm sure we would sit idle even if just 1 was threatened by a Russian backed coup.

    What right does US have to lecture Russia when they have done so much more and worse.
     
  3. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This from someone who lives in a country that victimizes unto death whistleblowers.
     
  4. VSilver

    VSilver New Member

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    Facts are:
    Russian green men assaulted Crimea`s state institutions on 27 February.
    [video=youtube;necH6YFvScc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=necH6YFvScc[/video]
    [video=youtube;tSJiNRuPmgc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSJiNRuPmgc[/video]

    There was military invasion, actions against the rules of approved and signed Agreements for locations at temporal bases.

    [video=youtube;Rx4DuBPKr5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx4DuBPKr5M[/video]

    It was occupation. After occupation there was unmonitored voting.

    You guess that there are only Russians and Tatars in Crimea, so if 12% tatars were against voting, and there is 100-12=88% of Annexation support by your rude maths. But there are others ethnics, and even a lot of Russians ware against Russian Aggression.
    Voting was after occupation and without control - its results are untrusted.

    You have distorted perception of Democracy. You state if majority decided to break the Law and oppress minority with murders - they`re absolutely right, because of majority. You more and more like nazi by your logic with majority`s right to oppress others.

    You advocate that Russian or Mexicans in US have the right to vote for be annexed with part of US and be united with Russia or Mexico, similar to the right of some Crimean Rusians to annex part of Ukraine.
    It`s your logic.

    Democracy means legal equality, political freedom and rule of law.
    Russia had broken the Law when occupied Crimea. Russia oppresses minorities, which excludes legal equality and political freedom.
    You're mixed-up up all around,

    And any internals coups or any actions of US do not give Russia the right to occupy and oppress.
    Russia behaves after Germany before WW2 by such rude "right" to be the occupant and oppressor
     
  5. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

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    Facts are, you have no facts

    So you keep choosing to ignore the question. The thing is, (and its supported by extensive history) US would have crushed a Russian backes coup in countries that contain their bases.

    You're a brainwashed hypocrite, so it's understandable.

    Since it's "fact", prove that they weren't just mercs. Do you see Russian patches on them?

    So Tatars boycotted their own vote and that was "proof" for you that Russia is oppressing them. Maybe when some Americans boycott the elections, it's also proof that the government is "oppressing" them. And now Russia is oppressing other ethnic groups as well? Got anymore of your "proof"

    It's expected brainwashed nonsense.

    As fir the helicopter video "proving" your invasion. As someone on YouTube so kindly pointed out-

    "This isn't even in Ukraine! It's a military exercise in the Caucasus in the year of 2012. GlobalLeaks is full of (*)(*)(*)(*) posting videos with missleading and fake titles for the sake of spreading propaganda. And i'm not even surprised that all these americans in the comment section believe it, the fat must be taking over their brain."

    sort of how we claimed that Russia bombed hospitals that don't exist

    "We’ve checked this information. It turned out that, a hospital is only present in the village Sarmin,” the spokesman said, adding that there are no hospitals and no medical workers in the other five villages named in media reports.

    The Defense Ministry presented a photo of the Sarmin hospital, which was taken on October 31 after the reports emerged.

    The image showed the building was intact, disproving claims it had been completely destroyed and 12 people killed.
     
  6. VSilver

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    You`re vigorously ignoring facts, saying on strong ones with footage "you have no facts".
    You closed mind with only Russian bias.

    Your biased logic belives one comment, saying "This isn't even in Ukraine! It's a military exercise in the Caucasus in the year of 2012"
    But you can`t keep with facts and information. It was Ukraine, Russian helicopters violated rules of their temporal location at temporal bases and invaded Ukraine before the voting.

    Mercs had no combat helos or Russian combat vehicles.

    A swarm of Russian helicopters are filmed flying to Sevastopol on the Crimean Peninsula causing the Ukraine to accuse Russia of an invasion

    Russian oppression of Tatars is strong fact, Tatars are banned in their ethnics rally, they're kidnapped and murdered. And your nazi-like logic is backing its violation, because "Russians have the right to do it" as nazi had the right to occupy and oppress.

    A Tatar who protested against the Russian takeover in March was found dead with signs of torture, and two others have disappeared.

    You try to advocate Russian occupation and oppression by theoretical US actions. It`s a feeble logic. Russian violations can not be approved by violations others.
    But by your logic you can kill a lot of people just because someone did (or just can do) it. Nazi logic.

    And you state that Russian or Mexicans in US have the right to vote for be annexed with part of US and be united with Russia or Mexico, similar to the right of some Crimean Rusians to annex part of Ukraine.
    Great.
     
  7. VSilver

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    By the way,

    Vladimir Putin has admitted for the first time that the plan to annex Crimea was ordered weeks before the referendum on self-determination.

    Putin had decided and occupied Crimea before he organized the Voting. Putin has admitted it, but you, Fallen, is still arguing that there was no Russian occupation.

    I guess, you back Hitler's occupations and oppressions as well.

    You guess, that Putin has (like Hitler had) the right to help Russians (Germans) in others countries by occupation this countries and oppress others minorities.
     
  8. Loki The Sly One

    Loki The Sly One Banned

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    Crimea had free elections.

    Difference was the crimeans supported russian army.

    Not like iraq when usa boasted of democracy while iraqis hid in thier homes scared to protest nazi USA.
     
  9. Zorro

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    Huge Scandal Erupts Inside NATO: Alliance Member Germany Slams NATO "Warmongering" Against Russia

    Suddenly everything is imploding for NATO when none other than the Foreign Minister of NATO member Germany, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, criticized NATO for having a bellicose policy towards Russia, describing it as "warmongering", the German daily Bild reported. And just like that, the entire fictional narrative of "innocent" NATO merely reacting to evil Russian provocations has gone up in flames.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-germany-slams-nato-warmongering-against-russ
     
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    If NATO didn't know that the Pentagon is around to lend its support - indeed, is aiding and abetting NATO's bellicosity - then NATO wouldn't even squeak like a mouse at Russia. Just who are the warmongering fools who are running NATO, and dancing to the WH's tune?
     
  11. freddy62

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    Unless is was reported on US MSM prime time then it most likely won't matter one bit. Those European countries don't make decisions for themselves anyway, sanctions on Russia have just been extended into 2017.
     
  12. Zorro

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    Who does make their decisions?
     
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    Good. Europeans are showing some backbone.
     
  14. Fallen

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    Sanctions against Crimea were extended. Not Russia itself.

    Jun, 17
    15:50 GMT
    EU extends sanctions on Crimea until mid-2017
    On Friday, the EU extended for a year a ban on business dealings with Russia’s Black Sea peninsula of Crimea. The sanctions, prolonged until June 23, 2017, prohibit imports of products from Crimea, any investment there and cooperation in tourism services, as well as exports of some goods and services to the peninsula, Reuters reports. Next week, the EU is expected to extend until the end of 2016 its broader economic sanctions on Russia over the Ukrainian conflict.

    Well find out next week if sanctions against Russia itself will be extended
     
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    In regards to sactions the US.
     
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    freddy62 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Somehow I think the Russians consider Crimea to be part of Russia and retaliatory food sanctions will not come to an end until all sanctions on Russia are lifted. Russian farmers sure don't want the sanctions to end any time soon.
     
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    German manufacturers and French and Spanish farmers would disagree with you that it is backbone and not subservience to the US.

    Backbone should be regarded as looking after your own interest instead of hurting those interests just because somebody else demands it.
     
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    Washington makes their decisions. The governments of the Nato nations are on Washington's payroll, and to make sure the people won't object, they have their propaganda networks scaring the wits out of everyone with their non existent Russian 'aggression'.
     
  19. Zorro

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    We need to get control of Washington. I don't know who they are representing, but it sure the hell doesn't seem to be us. Russia isn't attacking us, the Islamists are.
     
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    Even if those sanctions are lifted, and Russia lifts its embargo of European products, Russia will never import as much as it did before the embargo..

    Many nations though are doing business with Russia and are not paying any attention to the sanctions....as the Saint Petersburg Economic forum has shown.
     
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    Whatever you do, don't vote for Hillary, she's the biggest war monger there is.

    Ron Paul is having something in September in Washington:


    Join us in September at the 'Peace and Prosperity 2016' Conference

    How did the use of military force become the first option in US foreign policy? Why must we spend a trillion dollars each year to fund a global empire that leaves us poorer and less safe? How does the military-industrial complex rip off working Americans while becoming obscenely wealthy? And what can we do about it? Join Ron Paul and the Ron Paul Institute for a one of a kind event making an uncompromising case for a foreign policy of peace and non-intervention.

    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/
     
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    Say something often enough . . . ??
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    What absurd rubbish. Should we, as a weaker nation than the US, expect an invasion? Then again when has America ever attacked or invaded a sovereign nation which has the capacity to fight back? No, make war on the weak and defenceless; that's US 'foreign policy'. Bunch of pissy cowards.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    Yep, just like the 'Great Communist Conspiracy' of the 1950s-except there wasn't one, but paranoid America bought into it wholesale nonetheless.
     
  25. pjohns

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    It is not the policy of the US (as you should know) to "invad[e]" friendly nations...

    If you wish to be insulting, that is your right, I suppose.

    Just please do not imagine that those who are undecided will likely be persuaded by such mean-spirited rhetoric...
     

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