Beware what you wish for: Russia is ready for war

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well....other than Germany, Italy, Japan Britain, Mexico, and a few others....I suppose you have a point. It is unlikely any nation that has the most powerful military can invade a nation that can defend itself, which is where we are in modern times.
     
  2. Zorroaster

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    Russia still has ICBMs and nuclear subs. Neither the US nor Russia has the means to defend against these weapons. The US, Europe, an Russia would most assuredly be destroyed.

    And by 'destroyed', let us be specific. Every major city leveled. All computer systems, telecommunication, and financial system destroyed. Transportation destroyed - no vehicle with electronic controls will operate, i.e, no vehicle will operate. No food shipments. Most of US arable land poisoned for hundreds of years. Medical delivery system totally destroyed. No electrical power, and thus no water. You have a hand-pumped well in the country? You may last for a while, until radioactive run-off infiltrates ground water.
     
  3. CRUE CAB

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    Russia will never do more than sabre rattle.
     
  4. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly so, snake. [​IMG] Neuro-linguistic programming works like a charm on simpletons among us.
     
  5. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I sincerely hope the loonies will read that, and digest it!
     
  6. joepistole

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    Before you go calling other people brainwashed and baseless nonsense, you should take a very long and serious look at yourself comrade.

    No one is running away from your question. You are just refusing to hear the answer. It might have something to do with that brainwashing stuff.

    That's not a logical comparison. Guam is US territory. It isn't an independent state. It isn't even a state. So you are attempting to compare apples to horses. You are making a fallacious comparison. Ukraine and Georgia were not and are not Russian territories. Your beloved Mother Russia had no business and no legal justification for its repeated invasions, occupations and annexation of the lands of its neighbors.

    The US has a military presence in 148 countries and has 900 foreign military bases, because we have commitments to other nations. Your beloved Mother Russia doesn't, nor can she afford those commitments. Your beloved Mother Russia doesn't need foreign military bases. She doesn't have the economic footprint that would require or support such a military commitment.

    And the rest of your post is just more mindless Russian propaganda. Nobody is threatening your beloved Mother Russia. She doesn't need a foreign troop presence, nor can she afford one. And there is absolutely no justification for her repeated invasions and annexations of the lands of her neighbors regardless of how "she" (i.e. Putina) feels.
     
  7. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And talking of loonies? Look who shows up? :mrgreen:
     
  8. Ethereal

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    The US government doesn't need to "prepare" for war because they're already waging it on multiple countries, to include Russia.

    For now, they are waging a cold war using economic sanctions, proxies, and clandestine services to destabilize the Russian economy and, by extension, its political system.

    Meanwhile, they are expanding NATO towards Russia's borders and encircling them with an ever-increasing amount of military personnel, ordnance, and provocative exercises.

    Yet we're supposed to believe, somehow, that Russia, and not the US government, are the aggressors in this equation.

    Thankfully, the US government has one of the most sophisticated and effective propaganda machines in human history, so they've done an excellent job of convincing Americans and westerners in general that black is white and up is down.
     
  9. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's a flamebaiter - there can't be any other explanation.
     
  10. Ethereal

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    It's absolutely hilarious listening to these imbecilic pronouncements of Russia's alleged military inferiority.

    I seem to recall a chap named Adolf Hitler making similar assumptions about Russia's military capabilities.

    How'd that work out for him?
     
  11. Ethereal

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    All rational people are afraid of a possible war with Russia.

    The only people who are not afraid of this are belligerent westerners who have a pathological impulse to meddle in the affairs of foreigners.

    Meanwhile, in America, our country is drowning in debt, our middle class is slowly disappearing, our infrastructure is crumbling, and our democracy is descending into an oligarchy.
     
  12. cerberus

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    And he died in a bunker, essentially.
     
  13. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    'Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.'?? It all seems to be coming together now.
     
  14. Ethereal

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    Humans never learn.

    No matter how many times their demented ruling classes needlessly instigate disastrous wars, they keep falling for the same tricks over and over again.

    This is just history repeating itself.

    The only thing we have going for us right now is the internet and the random factors that lead to Putin being Russia's leader.
     
  15. Ethereal

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    US government officials are so weak that they are able to extract trillions of dollars from the economy, incarcerate millions of people, and bomb multiple countries at the same time.

    Yup, those are some real weaklings.

    I've never heard Snake say anything that would imply he hates America.

    Apparently, some people equate criticism of the US government with hatred for America.

    I cannot imagine why.
     
  16. Ethereal

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    Poland.

    Another foreign country dragging us into their regional squabbles.

    If you want to die for Poles, then move to Poland and volunteer to serve in their military.
     
  17. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Speak for yourself.

    I wouldn't sacrifice a single one of my friends or loved ones to save all of Poland.
     
  18. snakestretcher

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    Same with Iran; surrounded by US bases, continually interfered with by the West since 1953, but they're the bad guys for having their democracy overthrown by the CIA and having a vicious US-puppet dictator installed instead? And then the West whines about the situation created by them in the first place! Hilarious-well it would be if it weren't so tragic for the people of Iran. And elsewhere....
     
  19. cerberus

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    I like that; never heard it before but I like it.
     
  20. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish he was our leader - god, when you think of the bunch of gormless losers we're lumbered with, wouldn't it be nice to have someone we have confidence in and can trust to look after us. As it happens, when I was channel-hopping last night I saw one of the matches, and the hysteria and bloody flag-waving from the stands made me realise how easy it is to whip up the masses into a frenzy. If public service manipulators such as the BBC can generate so much fervour over a football match, imagine how easy it would be to hype them up into war. They say football is war without the weaponry.
     
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    Until the day they have had enough of being provoked. Don't underestimate Russia.
     
  22. CRUE CAB

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    Buncha loud talkers. I have said here and for years. Lace 'em up and lets dance. Russia is like a over rated out of prime boxer that was never really that good.
     
  23. Fallen

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    Very general comment with no specification. Show example? Is pointing out hypocrisy it? I do that quite a lot when someone tries to call Russia evil or threatening. In fact, pointing out hypocrisy of our foriegn policy and rhetoric are the main bulk of my political posts.


    And the answer is what exactly? I bet that example is full of hypocrisy as well



    Your a little late in pointing that out. Arnt you?

    Is annexation by a vote worse than plotted rebellions and coups that usually kills tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of people? How many people died in Crimea as a result of the vote? Like I said. Your posts are so full of hypocrisy and double standards that it makes it abundantly clear just how brainwashed you are.

    Ukrainian port is key to Russia's naval power - FT.com

    "Your beloved mother Russia" You sound like a broken record, if that broken record was brainwashed and stuck in it's own delusions like you

    Russia only has 10 bases. 1 of them was in Crimea. Its one of the most important bases they have if not the most important. Just like US would never allow such bases being lost to a coup that is backed by their "enemies", so too will Russia not allow it.

    And that's the comparison I attempted to make as Guam is the single most important overseas base that we have.

    Taking this into consideration, I would like to use your argument

    As pointed out, Russia had a commitment to Ukraine an it's elected leader. Before the coup happened, Russia extended their lease with Ukrainian leader until 2045 I think. So they could obviously afford it. As a result, Russia has an obligation to Ukraine. And when an unelected, militants mob, many of who were neonatzis were seizing power illegally, Russia acted on this obligation. But more importantly, they acted on obligation to ethnic Russians that live there.

    So you are a brainwashed hypocrite who is also an Ad-Hominem. Well, that's only expected
     
  24. joepistole

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    Seriously....? Are you that dense? Once again for your edification, before you go calling people brain dead, you need to take a very long and very serious look at yourself comrade. When someone says anything negative about your beloved Mother you mindlessly defend your beloved Mother Russia regardless of the facts and evidence or reason. You only believe what Mother Putina tells you to believe through his state owned and controlled media. You mindlessly believe anything Putin and his agents tell you. You never reference credible independent sources.

    Oh, and why would that be exactly? That was my first post on the matter. :)

     
  25. VSilver

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    Anyway it was temporary located base ruled by strict agreement. Invasion and occupation are the violence against the Law and agreements.
    You has shown that you prefer to advocate Russian crimes. You say Russian occupation and opression Crimean minorities are not so bad, because Russia has just some military bases so let’s give Russians some slack because they need it.

    People like you advocate nazi crimes - they say it was not so bad that Nazi occupied Europe and ruled new order.

    Also by your words any ethnic group in US (Russian, Mexican, etc) have similar right to be annexed with US territory to another country. It`s your fragile logic. Maybe you wanna be annexed with your US province to Mexico, so you`re backing similar Russian annexation?

    If you were more erudite, you would know, that Russian PRIMARY obligation to Ukraine was: do not invade, do nothing against Ukrainian sovereignty. There was Budapest memorandum. By the way, even pro-Russian President fled from Ukraine, there still was legitimate elected Parliament. But Russia has occupied part of Ukraine.
     

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