Beware what you wish for: Russia is ready for war

There are some folks who are drastically ignorant and uninformed. They live in the necessary illusion (we are the best and no one can touch us) as if the Hollywood version of the story was reality.

When they come across information that conflicts with or contradicts the fairy tale they have a visceral reaction normally resulting in denial (to the point of denial that the sky is blue), avoidance, demonization of the messenger or some other patently fallacious utterance. It is very similar to the reaction of brainwashed fundamentalists - for a reason

Convincing a child that if they "question" or "do not believe" certain tenets of some holy book that God will punish them with the worst thing their minds can imagine - eternal torture in the afterlife - horrific torture for ever and ever and ever ... is a sophisticated and very effective mind control technique.

I call it "The Fear Factor".

The fear factor works pretty good on the raging masses as well. It does not work on everyone but, it does not have to. Just enough to tip the balance and counter the voices contrary.

Using fear (fear of a foreign threat for example) to take away individual liberty - rights and freedoms - is nothing new.

The founders knew this trick well and tried to prevent totalitarianism by putting individual liberty "Above" the legitimate power of Gov't.

Ben's quote is cool and bang on " Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security"

Stalin wrote the modern textbook. He used fear of an external threat to take away liberty under the guise of "Security for the Motherland"

Hitler did the same "Fatherland Security" , Bush followed suit with "Homeland Security"

The raging masses have been so indoctrinated by fear that many are now convinced that it is their "Patriotic Duty" to give up rights and freedoms - "Patriot Act".

The masses are so scared of the boogie man (necessary illusion) that they happily give up their liberty and future economic security if only they could have a little more security from this scary monster.

The public is under a constant barrage of "Fear Fear Fear" from the mass media, the political leadership (Red and Blue), and the bureaucracy (Pentagon, NSA, Police and so on)

It is such ironic hypocrisy that the "Hope and Change" candidate. The Civil Rights advocate and Constitutional Scholar changed the name of the bill that takes away rights and freedoms (Patriot Act) to the equally Orwellian double-speak "Freedom Act".

There will be books written about the amazingly high level of stupidity and ignorance of the people of this time period - a time when information is more readily available then ever before. (The information age).

 

No. I just point out our own hypocrisy. As for the fact and evidence, I have supplied more supporting evidence of our own hypocrisy than you ever did if you recall. Maybe you have a short memory. Well, that's only expected

go back and you will see. Like I said. You are a little late there.

Whats our excuse for us to actively pursue rebellions, causing many deaths in another countries? Was there any excuse for us to annex Texas from Mexico? Was there any excuse to stage a coup in Iran? Like I said. Your posts bleed with so much hypocrisy that it makes it abundantly clear just how much you are brainwashed.

I already have

At least I know who controls it and what to expect.



Before you turn into your usual brainwashed Ad hominem, I'd like to point out the source. Since you seem to be so brainwashed as to only believe western sources.

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

Amber Lyon, a three-time Emmy award winning journalist at CC said that they are routinely paid by the US government and foreign governments to selectively report and even distort information on certain events. She has also indicated that the government has editorial control over content.

A former editor of the German largest newspaper said this as well.

But I'm sure that someone as brainwashed as you will deny this and resort to ad hominem, calling it Russia propaganda.

Here's Conan making fun of our "honest" media

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It's OK, you can admit it, if you bough an item or 2 or 10 for yourself

so if its the US, then they will be simply meeting their obligation by defending that country from an evil Russian orchestrated coup, but if its russi-

See how brainwashed you are? Firs and foremost, Russia didn't invade anyone as their troops were already in Crimea under a lease that will let them stay until 2045.

The importance of this base is only comparable to as Guam at it is our single most importsnt overseas base. Hence I made the comparison. US would never allow a vital base fall to their enemies during a coup that their enemies funded. The same goes for Russia. But you spew so much brainwashed hypocrisy that it's impossible for you to grasp this.

US has 1000 bases while Russia has 10. 1 out of this 10 will be equally to 100 out of 1000. What would US do if just like with Russia, 1/10th of their bases were in danger in falling into their enemy's hands?

What excuse did we use to plot a rebellion in Syria since 2006 again?

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html

What even more reminiscent of Natzi Germany is American exceptionalism. I don't think that I have to draw the parallels there. Not to mention this.

Do The Math: Global War On Terror Has Killed 4 Million Muslims Or More

Study: U.S. regime has killed 20-30 million people since World War Two -37 victim nations

Clearly. I hear that our regime change policy has killed 30 million people and left 37 victim nations. That does even account for Syria that we have been planning since 2006 or Libya.

Me and the rest of Americans? I have served in the Navy for 5 years. I went on 2 deployments. Now I'm doing various things while going to school. I was in foster care. So between the state of Florida(who covers 4 years) and the GA bill (that covers 4 years), I get 8 years of school completely free. Though I did it for selfish reasons, I served my country. Have you?

And my comparison to Guam only goes as far as its strategic importance. The fact that it was US territory is very convenient. Hence I revised my statement and said 100 out of 1000 bases instead, as I could not use our most important base in my example.

1 of 10 = 100 of 1000

Im sure it would hold water if we were talking about US instead. Like the illegal invation of Iraq. Illegal bombing of Libya. Illegal plotted rebellion in Syria. And the rest of the 37 nations that was victim of our neocolonialism.

The only facts that you have shown is the facts of your hypocrisy as well as other things that come with being brainwashed. But this is only expected

 

Every country on earth is ready for war. Emergency preparedness even runs deep in Switzerland. Who cares?? Lol!

 

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your blatant dishonesty. Where is the "hypocrisy"? Where is this "fact and evidence" you have supplied? Probably with virtually everything else with you, it doesn't exist.

LOL...are you seriously that dishonest? I guess you are. As previously pointed out to you, and as you well know, that was my first post and it was in response to you recent post. Just because you don't like the truth, it doesn't make it "late".

Well comrade, I guess they don't teach American history in your beloved Mother Russia. For starters, the US didn't annex Texas from Mexico..oops. And if you knew anything about American history, you would have known that. Texas won its independence from Mexico 10 years before Texas was annexed by The United States. And you would know, that the Republic of Texas made several attempts to be annexed by the United States which were rebuffed.

Unfortunately for you comrade, facts matter. The US did, during the Cold War, state a coup in Iran in order to keep Iran out of the Soviet Union. And just what do you think is hypocritical about that exactly? Unfortunately for you there is nothing hypocritical about that. And again the facts remain, the US didn't illegally invade, occupy, or annex the lands of its neighbors as your beloved Mother Putina has repeatedly done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas#Statehood

Well then you should be able to point to it, but you can't. Because you haven't. Once again comrade, you aren't being honest. You are obfuscating.

Is there a point buried in there somewhere? Your "Business Insider" article is talking about more than just news. It includes entertainment. For example, ESPN, is a sports channel. If you want to watch a football game, ESPN is a good place to do it. Disney movies aren't news either. They are entertainment. And then there are thousands of newspapers and radio stations that you haven't mentioned. So yet again, you are making another fallacious comparison.

Well instead of rolling on the floor in laughter, perhaps you should be paying more attention to the facts and evidence. You have no evidence the US has ever illegally invaded, occupied, and annexed the lands of its neighbors as your beloved Mother Russia has repeatedly done. So once again, you are not being honest.

And as I have repeatedly told you, before you go accusing others of being brainwashed, you should take a very long and serious look at your self. But it's increasingly becoming apparent, you are not capable of such introspection or serious thought.

Except, as has been repeatedly explained to you, it isn't. Where is your evidence Guam "is our single most important overseas base". You don't have any such evidence, because you are making (*)(*)(*)(*) up again. Guam is a small island in the Pacific, in case you don't know, there are many small islands in the Pacific Ocean. Guam is just one of many, including nearby Okinawa which already hosts American military bases.

As previously explained to you, the best example is the Philippines. The Philippines was once a US territory, and as a result had numerous military installations there. The US gave independence to the nation after WWII and decades later when the nation requested the US withdraw its military from the country, it did it did so peacefully. That's a real life example, and the Philippines is and was much bigger and much more militarily important to the US.

My, my, it keeps getting bigger. You need to get your numbers straight.

It doesn't matter how many foreign military installations your beloved Mother Russia has or doesn't have. Your beloved Mother Russia isn't entitled to illegally invade, occupy and annex the lands of its neighbors. It really is that simple. The US has never illegally invaded, occupied and annexed the lands of its neighbors in order to gain foreign military bases. The US has 900 military installations on foreign lands. It hasn't illegally invaded, occupied, and annexed even one of them.

And as has been repeatedly explained to you, your beloved Mother Russia has no enemies other than the ones it creates by illegally invading, occupying and annexing their lands.

Who is we comrade? If you are referring to the US, where is your evidence the US plotted a rebellion in Syria? Again, you have none, because none exists. Unfortunately for you comrade, facts matter. A cable discussing the situation in Syria isn't evidence of a coup. Governments routinely try to influence each other. That's kind of the point of diplomacy. That's not evidence of a coup. Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word "coup".

Oh, and so you think a bit of American nationalism is somehow worse than murdering between 2 to 3 million Jews. Seriously....? So you think the belief in egalitarianism and democracy is reminiscent of Nazi Germany? Below is the definition of exceptionalism.

American exceptionalism is one of three related ideas. The first is that the history of the United States is inherently different from other nations.[2] In this view, American exceptionalism stems from its emergence from the American Revolution, thereby becoming what political scientist Seymour Martin Lipset called "the first new nation"[3] and developing a uniquely American ideology, "Americanism", based on liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, democracy and laissez-faire for business. This ideology itself is often referred to as "American exceptionalism."[4] Second is the idea that the US has a unique mission to transform the world. As Abraham Lincoln put it in the Gettysburg address (1863), Americans have a duty to see that "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Third is the sense that its history and its mission give the United States a superiority over other nations.

Although the term does not necessarily imply superiority, many neoconservative and other American conservative writers have promoted its use in that sense. To them, the U.S. is like the biblical "City upon a Hill"—a phrase evoked by British colonists to North America as early as 1630—and exempt from historical forces that have affected other countries.[5] The theme of superiority is a common target for attacks from critics.[4][6]
The theory of the exceptionalism of the U.S. can be traced to Alexis de Tocqueville, the first writer to describe the country as "exceptional" in 1831 and 1840.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

Additionally, I am not impressed by specious references. In the war on terrorism, more terrorists have been killed than Americans, that's probably true. But that doesn't mean the US is wrong to go after them and fight terrorism. As for the numbers of killed terrorists, where is your credible evidence? As with everything else, you have none. Unfortunately for you comrade, facts do matter. Just because you find a specious source on the web, it doesn't mean you have credible evidence.

Do you now? I'm sure you hear many things, but that doesn't make any of them true. Where is your evidence 30 million people have been killed in 37 nations? Where is your evidence there is a "regime change" policy? Instead of mindlessly accusing others of being brain dead, you really need to begin seriously questioning the things you believe and summarily and without merit accept as gospel.

Do you realize your "30 million people killed" number is about half the number of people estimated to have been killed during WWII? That's a lot of bodies. I bet you believe the moon in made of cheese too.

What does "Me and the rest of Americans?" mean comrade?

Whose navy have you been in comrade? By the way, it's the GI Bill, not the GA Bill which provides educational benefits. And yes, I have served my country and served in the US Navy during the Vietnam War when it was unpopular to be in military service. So what? I don't think you are being honest comrade. If you are in school, you need to make sure you take a few history classes.

Oh, so you are back to Guam again. As previously pointed out to you, there are thousands of islands in the Pacific. Guam isn't the only island in the Pacific. Unfortunately for you comrade, Guam doesn't legitimize your beloved Mother Russia's illegal invasions, occupations, and annexations of the lands of its neighbors.

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, you don't need to create a fictionalized scenario when in fact you have a very real life example (e.g. the Philippines). The unfortunate fact for you is we have a very real life example which debunks your assertion. You don't need to speculate. The Philippines was strategically very important to the US, much more strategic than Guam, and supported several US military bases. But when the Philippine government requested the US to remove is military installations, the US government did so, and it did so peacefully. Unlike your beloved Mother Russia, the US didn't stage a coup and it didn't illegally occupy and annex portions of the country as you beloved Mother Russia did.

Well, here again, this is where some knowledge of history would benefit you comrade. The US didn't "illegally" invade Iraq...oops. The US invaded under the authority of the United Nations. And you have no evidence the US plotted a rebellion in Syria. The US didn't kill fire on demonstrators, the US didn't barrel bomb innocent peaceful Syrian demonstrators. Your beloved Russian vassal did that comrade. And who are these 37 nations who are "victim" of our "neocolonialism"? Unfortunately for you comrade facts do matter.

LOL...well that's funny. Where is this hypocrisy? Where have I been hypocritical as you have alleged? You can't point to a single case or anything I have said to validate your accusation, and you have been repeatedly challenged to do so.

 

Necessary to prevent Russia from invading NATO.

Russia is the one who was about to invade NATO before we moved forces east.

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Laugh at reality if you want, but Russia isn't going to do anything more than whine about NATO forces being stationed on their borders.

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No thank you. I am quite content where I am right now.

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Thankfully the US government has a different point of view.

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The only thing Russia is going to do about NATO forces on their border is whine really loudly.

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Actually the US had little to do with the coup. We did approve of it, go along with it, and even help it a little. But we were far from the driving force behind the coup.

The real force behind Iran's coup was the same group of Iranian clerics who rule Iran today.

Even among outsiders the US role was small. The main outside support for the coup came from the UK (who were rightfully upset that Iran was stealing their oil).

 

You think US doesn't have better-targeting,more volume of ICBMs? You better do some research.
Why would you post things like this? You want almost everywhere to be like near Chernobyl?

 

If Russia was about to invade a former Soviet block country, moving forces east would do little to prevent such an invasion.

Nato (US) actions have re ignited the nuclear arms race.

 

You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying. Both Russia and the US are fully capable of annihilating each other (many times over).

This is why I was questioning the poster's call to "Bring on nuclear war". I do not want everywhere to be like Chernobyl.

 

Me either.

 

That is pretty much the case...Russia has 'whining' & 'hypocrisy' down to a science. Despite beating their own hairy chests about how strong & powerful they are, the Stalinists in the Kremlin know better than to challenge NATO. To sit back, cry & take it is their only option.

 

Hysterical fantasies.

You have no idea how they will respond to NATO aggression.

Why? You should be in Poland with the other Poles. America is for Americans.

Thankfully for who? Foreigners? I'm more concerned with Americans.

 

Russia is a has-been nothingpower. Moving NATO forces to the east will fully contain them.

Nah. We're just going to see Putin pout a bit.

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Putin's plan to invade the EU was quite real.

No aggression on NATO's part. We're merely going to contain Russia so that they are unable to invade the EU.

Putin's only response will be to pout a bit.

Because I am.

I have an ancestor who served under General Washington at Valley Forge and at the Battle of Trenton. Do you?

Incidentally, immigrants are part of what makes America such a great place.

For those of us who want to see freedom and democracy vigorously defended.

 

No, the Greatest threat to Everything Russian is their poor Economy and lack of currency and funds.

Giggle, carry on, We need to see who the Enemy is....... Especially The U.S. Residents.

 

I think that Vlad Putin seriously had this on his mind but the unity of NATO caused him to have second thoughts. Russia is dangerous , there's no doubt about....but not because of a superior military, but because of the reckless mindset of the Fascists presently running the country.

 

No, it's a hysterical fantasy concocted by war mongers and peddled by useful idiots and shills.

Expanding NATO towards Russia's borders; toppling a democratically elected, pro-Russian government on Russia's border; conducting provocative military exercises on Russia's borders and shores; trying to install missile systems on Russia's border; these are all aggressive acts by NATO, and would be viewed by westerners as extremely aggressive if the shoe were on the other foot.

Pure speculation.

You should be in Poland or western Ukraine with the rest of your countrymen.

I have dozens of ancestors who fought in the American revolution. My Scotch-Irish ancestors have been in American since the early 1700's.

And how ironic that you're spitting in your ancestor's face by contradicting George Washington's foreign policy guidance to Americans.

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it - It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

--George Washington

Why do you insist on destroying your ancestor's proud legacy?

I'm not talking about people who immigrate to America and become citizens. I'm talking about foreign nationals who live in foreign countries. The US government wasn't created to promote and defend their interests. It was created to promote and defend the interests of Americans.

Funny, I don't recall any of the founding fathers, Washington included, saying the US government's job was to crusade around the world vigorously defending "freedom and democracy".

But if that is the standard you want to assert, then the list of countries the US government needs to invade is almost endless.

We'll have to start with Saudi Arabia, which is an absolute dictatorship. Jordan should be next, since it's a hereditary monarchy. And then China, which is a communist dictatorship.

Any other countries we should invade?

Based on what evidence? And in case you were wondering, your irrational hatred of Russia is not evidence.

 

There is nothing irrational about it.
Tactics employed by the Putin apologists and various other anti-American trolls can include constant propaganda...disinformation...ridiculing of truth...attempts at demoralizing the enemy (America)...deflection...change of subject...accusing the enemy (America) of crimes that Russia is actually committing...rejecting Western media while accepting Russian state-controlled media...obfuscation...polluting the information space with meaningless commentary...sarcasm....spreading the false impression that Russia is powerful, superior or moral.

 

So you have no evidence. Just empty, self-serving assertions.

And when people accuse the US government of committing crimes, they are almost always right.

The invasion and occupation of Iraq, for example, was a crime. Nothing Russia has done since the end of the Cold War even comes close to the amount of carnage the US government caused in that country.

But you believe the US government is special and therefore exempt from the same standards that everyone else is expected to abide by.

If they wantonly and aggressively destroy an entire country, then you just see it as honest mistake.

But if Russia annexes a small piece of land on its own border with the acquiescence of the people living there, then you get all hysterical about "Russian aggression".

The hypocrisy of some Americans is simply astounding when you think about it. Of course, that would require you to actually THINK about it, so I'm not holding my breath.

 

Worthless pap... but I liked the part about Russia snipping off a tiny piece for itself.....revealing to say the least!

 

You can't refuse what I said, so you just ignore it.

But putting your head in the sand won't change the fact that the US government basically destroyed a country and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.