Biden and Putin agree to 'principle' of summit discussing Ukraine

So even though Trump was Putin's puppet, Putin waited until someone was in office that wasn't his puppet, and who was willing to attempt to unite NATO against him, and who was warm to Ukraine, to make a move on Ukraine?

Yeah that makes sense...

 

Putin's been planning this since 2014. You think these sanctions weren't anticipated a couple years ago? Putin probably expected more severe sanctions today. Putin can wait this out for years, the ones who'll suffer the most are the peasants and work farms. Biden sells tons of gas in Asia.

 

First, I never said that Trump was Putin's puppet.

The fact remains that the relationship between the two men was very warm.

And Trump has been advocating for years for the US and Russia to get closer.

If Putin is acting now in Ukraine, it's because he knows that Biden is accelerating the steps to bring the country into NATO .... which Trump didn't want.

 

yeah Putin waits for someone (Biden) less amenable to him to invade the Ukraine. Russian troops weren't at the Ukraine border when Trump left office.

yeah, that's the ticket

 

I supported his warming to Putin. We could have used Russia on our side to hold the CCP to account for poisoning everyone you and I know. This could have been avoided if NATO didn't unnecessarily expand after 1991. Withdrawing pressure isn't always a sign of weakness.

 

If this isn't the nail in the coffin for the Trump/Russia collusion farce, I don't know what is.

 

Being friends with Putin means turning your back on all US allies in Europe.

The US and Russia have no common strategic interests.

And Putin would much rather be with Xi, who is a dictator like him, than with any POTUS.

 

It is in Europe's interest to have friendly relations with the Russian people. Putin is the problem, not them. Forming a ring around Russia with an attack on one is an attack on all alliance was unnecessary to protect Europe from Russia. It only empowered Putin. And now everyone wants to double down on mistakes and hurt the people you want as friends with economic sanctions that will only empower your enemy.

 

I'm sorry, but NATO didn't recruit.

Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia all applied for membership because they were afraid of Russia.

You don't know why?

I am not one of those people who think that you have to bow down to a dictator in order to have a chance not to be stepped on.

Putin is an extremely dangerous person, he always has been, he despises diplomacy and is perfectly comfortable killing millions of civilians so that Russia can annex Ukraine.

 

I'm going to enjoy watching you watch your dream die.

 

I'm not saying bow down. We lost this battle. Regroup. I like the Biden deployments to the Baltics. I'd put 20k there at least. I'd make it clear, they leave the day you leave Belarus and Ukraine.

But my instinct says we pulled a Versailles on Russia when they were weak. And like post WWI, it only guaranteed a dictator like Putin.

 

Another reason why Trump was objectively the better president.

what a disaster Brandon is.

 

Look at this fool when asked if he underestimated Putin.

 

Lol. I see you're still writing crap after being shown that your posts are crap. You clearly have no clue about the area around Ukraine or its history

 

It is still Biden and his admin claiming they had the agreement. You are splitting hairs. And to claim it had nothing to do with Biden is false!

 

It is all of those things!

Elections have consequences. Wonder how those sensitive people (no more mean tweets) feel now that we have Biden failing the U.S. at every single thing he does?

 

There HAVE to be sanctions, if applied by all countries, that are bound to impact the oligarchs and military.. Russia doesn't invent or create a lot of their own stuff...

If, as the article suggests, we cut them off from 'world tech', that will have to have an impact sooner or later.. unless they start getting stuff from China, as is likely.

Ostracize them fully... No Olympics, No G20, No SWIFT, Limited travel, Limited International trade, refuse to purchase their energy outputs...

And if that starts affecting Russian civilians? I'm not going to shed a tear.... are you?

 

Here's an article that lays out the most likely reason Putin didn't consider moving before the election of 2020

SNIP
But it's far more likely he hoped for something very different. As Jonathan Last pointedly suggested on Tuesday in his newsletter for The Bulwark, Trump expressed his desire on numerous occasions for the United States to withdraw from NATO altogether. He did so while campaigning for president in 2016. He did so as president. And apparently, he even made clear to advisers he hoped to make it a reality after he won re-election in 2020.

Since such a withdrawal is Putin's fondest wish, it makes far greater sense to suppose his relative restraint during the Trump presidency was a function of a reasonable expectation he might get everything he wanted without having to fire a shot. Only now, with a less … unorthodox American president in charge, has war become Putin's only means of advancing his more immediate aim of ensuring NATO moves no closer to Russian territory.
ENDSNIP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/real-reason-putin-played-pussycat-105210248.html

That didn't happen, which would have allowed Putin to take Ukraine (for starters) on a much safer path, so now he's got to take bigger risks and risk opposing a unified NATO...

Well done, America!

 

You said it, not me (although I was certainly thinking it)...

Putin not moving during the T**** regime proves nothing..... Putin got many benefits from having his puppet in office, but getting the US out of NATO was just too big an ask....

 

If Putin's plans have always been to annex Ukraine, AND if Trump was his puppet, any strategy to take Ukraine outside of the window of the Trump presidency would have been monumentally stupid.

 

spew whatever, spin whatever, but Russian troops were not amassed along the Ukraine border when Trump left office. Get some facts. Google is your friend.

 

Russia deployed nearly 90,000 troops, 1,100 tanks, 2,500 armored fighting vehicles, 1,600 artillery and missile systems, 340 combat aircraft and other weapons and equipment on the border with Ukraine.
March 2020

Putin orders snap military drills involving 150,000 troops and hundreds of aircraft and naval vessels on Ukrainian border to ensure 'security in Russia's southwest'
July 2020