Biden Pledges Abortion Freedom

Abortion in my view was already baked into the equation. Over the last 50 years with ROE in place, those avid pro-choicers have become democrats while avid pro-lifers became Republicans. By avid I mean those folks who decide who they’ll vote for on the abortion issue. You can see this on RCP’s generic congressional graph. Roe was overturned on the 24th of June, on 25 June the Republicans had a 2.6-point lead in the generic, a month later 25 July, their lead was at 2.5 points. No movement. The overturning didn’t affect who people were going to vote for for a full month. Only after Trump became a headline news star, in front on the cameras did the Democrats finally take the lead in the Generic congressional ballot. But since Trump hasn’t been the headline news star lately, the Republicans are now back in front.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html


It looks like today, the GOP will gain control of the house, the democrats to retain control of the senate.

Biden’s promise is a lame one. Democrats can’t agree on the time limit and they’re not going to vote in mass to make abortion legal up to the time of birth. Being unable to agree on what restrictions and when abortion should be banned was the main reason the democrats didn’t introduce legalized abortion this year after ROE was overturned. Most Americans, 60% of them think abortion should be legal up to the end of the first Trimester. Then illegal with the exception for the life of the mother, incest and rape. Graham introduced legislation for exactly this which was spurned by the Democrats as it seems they want abortion legal up till the time of birth and perhaps after. If the Democrats wanted abortion legal, they could have jumped on Graham’s proposal. It seems to me, the democrats wanted abortion illegal in some states, so they have abortion as a campaign issue. Solving the abortion issue would remove it as a campaign tool to fire up their base.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-americans-stand-on-abortion-in-5-charts/

 

I don't see where you've supported your claim. This article seems to say you're wrong.

https://www.hli.org/resources/why-do-women-have-late-term-abortions/

 

Name a president who never proposed legislation.

 

Anyone can propose legislation (even us), but only a member of Congress can introduce it to Congress.

 

Well I’m glad we cleared that up.

 

Glad I could help you.

 

You were the one that needed to be reminded that the president can ask Congress for stuff. Lol.

 

Oh! Dear! An astroturf site that does not even hide its bias!
Let me start with

Now it is interesting that the citation to apparently back this quote is from some other opinion piece not the expert themselves and that expert is on record as saying

https://undark.org/2017/10/06/abstracts-abortion-fetal-pain-more/

In truth the article has a couple of purported “witness statements” from “pro life” people but no actual research
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/187908
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0968808008313731
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1413208714000417

But the science is fraught as many “pro-life” articles define “late term abortion as at or after 20 weeks - earlier than Roe allowed whilst many others define it as a third trimester issue.

 

What's the hyperbole? You prefer "unborn" baby? I think it's a given we are talking about unborn babies does it need to be spelled out each time? Are born babies being killed too?

 

A zygote isn’t a baby and a teenager isn’t an old person. These words have meanings.

 

That is the rarity of late term abortion, they are sought for the same reasons as earlier term.


The Reality of Late-Term Abortion Procedures

...For many years, abortion-rights advocates have asserted that abortions after 20 weeks are performed because of maternal health complications or lethal fetal anomalies discovered late in pregnancy.[8] However, wider data from both the medical literature and late-term abortion providers indicates that most late-term procedures are not performed for these reasons. Previous survey studies of late-term abortion patients have confirmed that most late-term abortions are performed because of a delay in pregnancy diagnosis and for reasons similar to those given by first-trimester abortion patients: financial stressors, relationship problems, education concerns or parenting challenges.[9]



A recent paper entitled, “Who seeks abortion at or after 20 weeks?” supports these conclusions.[10] The study, published in Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, a journal of the Guttmacher Institute, marks a notable departure from previous statements by abortion rights advocates that late-term abortions were rarely elective. Authors Foster and Kimport highlight the characteristics of women seeking abortion at or after 20 weeks gestation. The authors acknowledge that, in fact, wider “data suggests that most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment.”[11] The study explores reasons for delay in seeking abortion services, comparing first-trimester and late-term abortion groups. While there are numerous limitations to the study, the authors suggest that the characteristics of women who seek both first-trimester and late-term abortions are substantially similar....
https://lozierinstitute.org/the-reality-of-late-term-abortion-procedures/

 

Yes the zygote which is a zytote for only week and not what we are talking about in an abortion is a baby just as it is a baby for the entire time it is alive in the womb. An unborn baby. Words have meanings I agree you should not deny them. And a teen-ager is not a baby either and an old person is not a baby either because teenagers are teenagers and old persons are old persons and babies are babies.

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a. A very young child; an infant.
b. An unborn child; a fetus.
https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=baby#:~:text=A very young child; an infant.

 

Wow! You missed the point being made by a mile

 

Apparently someone needs to remind you of what the idiot-in-chief actually said. But it won't be me doing it.

 

He sent a bill to Congress. I can send a bill to Congress. Anyone can.

 

Did I? Want to clarify for me then?

 

I will see you your “pro-life” astroturf/misinformation site and raise you one with the Kaiser Foundation

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/

Let us look at the “Lozier institute” you quoted

https://pro-lies.org/charlotte-lozier-institute/
Makes sense because blind Freddy could see the shell game they were playing by including previable foetuses in the definition of “late term abortions”. Yes at 20 weeks there is a subset of abortions performed on women who have had to delay termination due to cost, ability to procure etc. The saddest part is that is these women had access to early affordable means eg medical abortion, they would have the abortion then.

A true “late term abortion” ONE DONE INTHE THIRD TRIMESTER is the one almost invariably done for foetal abnormality/pregnancy complications

 

Those things mentioned are diagnosed very early (1st ultrasound). Late term abortions in your world CAN be done for any inconvenience perceived!

 

The point of my post wasn't about when, but why.

 

No he didn't and no, we can't.

 

The first step in the legislative process is the introduction of a bill to Congress. Anyone can write it, but only members of Congress can introduce legislation. Some important bills are traditionally introduced at the request of the President, such as the annual federal budget. During the legislative process, however, the initial bill can undergo drastic changes.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-legislative-branch/

I can send a bill to my rep and/or senators. Whether or not it gets introduced to Congress is up to them.

 

So Biden plans to send a proposal for legislation to someone in Congress who in turn will introduce it to Congress.

I thought we already cleared this up.

 

Then why is it missing from their chart

20 weeks into a baby's like is LATE and your group is a pro-abortion liberal so your attack the source fails.

And more

Why do women decide to get third-trimester abortions?

The reasons people need third-trimester abortions are not so different from why people need abortions before the third trimester: 1) they received new information—including that they were pregnant—that made the pregnancy not (or no longer) one they wanted to continue; 2) they tried to obtain an abortion before the third trimester but faced insurmountable barriers (including policy restrictions and stigma) that delayed them into the third trimester.
https://www.ansirh.org/research/research/why-do-women-decide-get-third-trimester-abortions

More

Who Seeks Abortions at or After 20 Weeks?

RESULTS: Women aged 20–24 were more likely than those aged 25–34 to have a later abortion (odds ratio, 2.7), and women who discovered their pregnancy before eight weeks’ gestation were less likely than others to do so (0.1). Later abortion recipients experienced logistical delays (e.g., diffi culty fi nding a provider and raising funds for the procedure and travel costs), which compounded other delays in receiving care. Most women seeking later abortion fi t at least one of fi ve profi les: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in confl ict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1363/4521013

 

I’m not sure what you are on about. Biden asked for some legislation and some are losing their ****.

 

Dude, figure it out, just once. SCOTUS has already decreed Roe V. Wade is unconstitutional. Now unless you're advocating for packing the court, Roe V. Wade is forever dead.