Blame it on God!

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  1. RoanokeIllinois

    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    God a Problem in Life? Just Blame it on God!

    Cost of living going up? Just blame it on God!
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/cost-of-living-index-by-state

    Cost of gas getting way to expensive for you? Just blame it on God!
    "Green New Deal" and Inflation.

    Hardly able to afford grocery's? That's probably God's fault also.

    There is no possible way, that any of the above inflation bills, are the fault of the Democrat Politicians screwing Americans over.
    Nothing is ever their fault. It's always God's fault, or the Republicans, or Trump's fault some how.

    THEN AGAIN, FOR ALL OF YOU NON-BELIEVERS OUT THERE, HOW COULD ANYTHING BE GOD'S FAULT, IF GOD ISN'T REAL???
     
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    Who the heck are you suggesting blames anything on God?
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    I'm talking about non-believers. who are you talking about? lol.

    The Democrat Party is the party of wiccans, poligamy, pegans, and devil worshipers. and they're proud about it!

    this should be pointed out more so, in the republican media.

    Especially considering, the majority of Americans, believe in God.

    Taking God out of a Country, CAN EASILY HELP BRING ANARCHY AND A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Wow!!

    First, I asked: "Who the heck are you suggesting blames anything on God?"

    And, you failed to answer that.

    Then, you proved you don't know crap about Democrats, and fail to recognize that Republicans aren't as nutty as you are.

    The separation of church and state is a long recognized principle of good government.

    You can have the religion you want. You can vote the way you want to, etc.

    But, I don't get to use government to put you in prison if you don't share MY religion.

    You should LIKE that!
     
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    Doesn't seem like it could be. Looks to me like you've misread what someone's been writing.

    You seem to be several twists and turns behind even understanding the points most irreligious people are making. But then again, you haven't quoted anyone, or pointed to anyone making those arguments, so you haven't really provided what is needed for a reasonable discussion.
     
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    Here allow me to help:
    First he said:
    It goes without saying, many if not most nonbelievers blame the ills of life on God because the God that is believed to exist by believers is the all powerful knowing creator and all knowing creator, and as far as nonbelievers are concerned God should have created humans with the same powers as God, to insure humans have no inconveniences.
    Then he makes the point id God is not real how is it possibly reasonable to blame God.
    Then he pulls democrats into the the nonbeliever group inferring that democrats are among those that blame God for things humans face in life that they disagree with.

    Statements do not require a quote from someone, they stand on their own merit as legitimate propositions.

    From his statements et al, we can infer most or at least many democrats are unbelievers, that blame God, an entity they do not believe exists, for creating conditions that they are unhappy with.
     
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    Oh thats easy to figure out wil, simply look for statements like: 'If God was all _____ then he (would have), (should have), (could have) done it this way or that way'. God would have thought of that.

    there is no shortage on here of 'If God was/is all ____' statements to choose from.

    Thats what I got from the OP. Im sure he can correct me if my read is wrong.

    Then how come the mormons cant have more than one wife wil?
    How can you/the guv justify making laws that infringe upon and stomp all over peoples religion wil?
    Seems to me there is no separation.
    Where is our freedom of religion is we have to obey the guvs religion wil?
    Its a nice fantasy though.
    Not if you have to ask the guvs permission to practice your religion first, or it must meet some guv approval or guv standard.

    Again the mormons do not have the right to practice their own religion, they are being forced to practice the guv religion.

    Thou shalt not bigamy!

    Blessed is the Word of the Lord thy Guv!
    If you can make it to the polls.
    They threw mormons that did not follow the guvs religion in jail for practicing a religion the guv banned so I disagree with you wil.
     
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    I don't think it goes without saying.

    I think there are many nonbelievers who blame religious people for things they do in God's name.
    I also think there are many nonbelievers who argue that if God existed (and he was powerful and things went in accordance with his will), then he would be to blame for many bad things, and therefore he is inconsistent with the omnibenevolence (or other lesser types of benevolence, being the source of goodness etc) that is sometimes ascribed to him.

    Both of those will say things that could be misconstrued as blaming God, but in neither case actually blame God.

    I struggle however to imagine someone who truly believes God doesn't exist, but still actually blame him.

    In itself a valid point. In fact, it is so valid that many people would thought it obvious that they're not actually blaming God.

    I agree, but if someone has misinterpreted a statement, then they'd be battling a strawman. A quote or reference can help us sort out whether they're attacking something that someone has actually said. And it should be easier to do than dancing around whether we should want one.

    Well, we might infer that's what he believes, I don't think we can reliably infer anything about others.
     
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    Why not, some people give God credit for everything good.
     
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    Indirect does not get them off the hook.
    They are arguing against someone elses strongly held belief
    hurricanes and other disasters that I have seen atheists argue has nothing what so ever to do with benevolence. its an irrational position.
    they can also be correctly construed as blaming God.
    If that were the case they would have no reason not to believe in God.
    Sure we can, its nonsense to claim otherwise.
     
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    I don't see how anyone could misunderstand that. When atheists talk about blaming God they are talking in hypotheticals, about imaginary or theoretical beings. Darth Vader is to blame for the death of Ben Kenobi.... But they don't actually exist.

    Perhaps the OP is instead saying atheists blame religion or God belief for ills of society. That would be a more coherent claim.
     
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    I did always find that funny. The clergy somehow convinced people to always give God the credit but never the blame. Pretty sweet gig eh?
     
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    They are talking about someones REALITY
    Just because you dont believe their reality does not mean their reality is not correct or that their reality is merely hypothetical as you try to brush it off!
    You have NO prove and in fact cant prove God does not exist.
    Until you can prove it your reality is no more valid than theirs!
     
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    It definitely means that their reality is hypothetical, unless they can affirmatively prove it is reality.
     
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    And even if it is reality, it is still hypothetical to anyone who doesn't know that. Atheists don't believe Gods exist. They also don't believe Darth Vader exists. That does not mean they can't discuss them as characters, apply logic to them, say that if they did/do exist then they would be to blame for X or Y, etc.
     
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    Fair enough but how does that substantiate the blaming we see out here?
     
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    the premise is flawed, ie defective.
     
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    It avoids blaming something that supposedly doesn't exist, because religious people definitely exist.

    Yep.

    Maybe, maybe not, I'll let you discuss that with them. My point here is only that RoanaokIllinois' had misunderstood the point, not whether the point itself is correct.

    How would you know that it was correct? You've famously failed to understand most people I've seen you interact with.

    If what was the case?

    I think you misunderstand what makes people believe things.
     
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    Non-believers obviously don't blame anything on God (or any other gods) by definition. Such ideas are typically brought up as a satire or counter when many monotheists credit God when good things happen (or oddly, when bad things aren't quite as bad as they could have been). The basic point is essentially the same. If God never has responsibility for any bad things happening, how can God have responsibility for the good things happening?

    On the political side, don't you see the irony in you complaining about people blaming socio-economic problems on God, Republicans or Trump while at the same time casually pushing all of the responsibility on Democrat politicians yourself?
     
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    False
    Something 'you' believe does not exist.
    Ah, nice deflection from supernatural to material, and from God to people.
    false you misunderstood his point and apparently dont understand it even after I went through the trouble to explain to you
    Its a counter argument to your et al not blame claim.
    youve famously failed to recognize valid counter arguments, simply on the grounds they do not agree with you
    I know you do not understand what makes people believe, proven in the thread with xSmithx when he an I made thousands of posts trying to explain it to you and you still couldnt wrap your mind around the concept.
     
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    By 'what' definition?
    all I ask is that you prove those comments!
    Thats why I typically dont engage in dem v rep discussions, 2 sides of the same coin
     
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    By the definition of "non-believer". If someone doesn't believe any God exists, the obviously can't attribute any real-world actions or responsibility to that God.

    They can address the hypothetical, of if a particularly God existed (as defined by any given believer), what consequences would we expect to see. This isn't about attributing blame (or credit) to any god, it's about an argument that such a god doesn't exist, because if they did, they would be responsible for bad (and good) things happening. Misrepresenting the statement is just a cheap way to avoid the addressing the question.
     
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    and that is a 100% faulty argument!
    proving the existence of God has nothing to do with God insuring your convenience, and is hardly as was already said responsible for your inconvenience any more than the wright brothers for inventing the airplane would be responsible as a result of the military using it to drop bombs on people.
     
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    The Wright Brothers weren't omnipotent and omniscient.

    Note that this is an argument against the existence of a specifically defined God, on the basis of claims made by those who believe that specific God exists and the logical consequences of those claims. It is not meant to be a general argument against the existence of any kind of god or gods at all (it generally leads to the inevitable "We can't know" conclusion).
     
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    that was an analogy, even if they were omnipotent and omniscient how does that make them responsible for your convenience?

    you give computers artificial intelligence and a basic set of constructs as a basis to operate on how is it your faulty if they **** everything up for themselves? HINT: its not!

    I suppose you could argue God should have created people that can be programed same as a robot with no intelligence artificial or otherwise, with no free will.

    Yep, we cant know
     
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