Blame it on God!

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  1. Matt84

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    You answered your own question didn't you?
     
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    Except that I didn't, as everyone else can see. You misunderstood, I think probably intentionally.
     
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    except that you did, and I proved it with several of your quotes, now you double down on your blunder rather than admit it.
     
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    You failed to understand what I meant and you continue to insist I meant what others (here Swenson) could see I didn't from the outset. And you insist on demanding I think something I do not, even in the face of my saying so. It isn't the first time. It is your usual behaviour. I have no interest in such petty games.
     
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    Do you mean because it's expensive or something other than just that?

    Does Islam allow as many wives as you can afford to support?
     
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    why dont you simply man up and admit you were busted instead of trying to double down with the petty spin?
     
  8. Jolly Penguin

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    Why don't you man up and admit you are trying to force people into positions they don't take, just so you can lecture and feel superior, to massage your fragile ego?

    Since I took you off ignore I also noticed you running around telling people I believe in ghosts and other silly non-truths I never said. I did say that being atheist doesn't preclude a person from believing in ghosts or other supernatural things. Theism/atheism regards God belief only. So a person who did believe in ghosts but not God's would still be an atheist. From that you declared that I said that I myself believe in ghosts, when of course I did not.

    And it's not just me. You do to this to everyone you interact with. It's why I had you on ignore and it's why nobody takes you seriously.
     
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    Good question. I'm not a Muslim, let alone an Imam who might have a full answer.

    My understanding is that plural marriage comes with the requirement of equality. Can a husband be perfectly equal in love, care, attention, etc. when there are multiple wives? Can the wives all experience their marriage and be fulfilled by it equally?
     
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    Historically, and even today, there are Muslims with multiple wives, so I don't see why not. I think the limitation mostly comes down to being able to afford it. You have to care for and support the wives. I know that's at least part of it.
     
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    Like with Christianity, not all members walk the walk.
     
  12. Kokomojojo

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    what a pile of :icon_shithappens:

    Why dont you tell the truth/

    you had me on iggy because I asked you to put me on iggy so I would not have to deal with the constant barrage of stupidity you posted in my thread.

    You put me on iggy then continued to post in my thread due to your obsession with me.

    Sorry my conclusions are based on what you actually 'say' (as I quoted) not how you spin it after the fact when you are busted.
     
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    you can prove the Bible is myth, but you're right, you can't prove all God's don't exist, heck... we can see the Sun God (careful though, it's said if you look at God for too long you will go blind)
     
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    just blame God, Republicans are good at that

    "Va. Lawmaker: Disabled Kids are God's Punishment for Abortion"

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/va-lawmaker-disabled-kids-are-gods-punishment-for-abortion/

    "Republican Virginia State Delegate Bob Marshall said at a press conference last week that God is taking "vengeance" on parents who have had abortions by making their other children disabled"
     
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    which of course is pure nonsense.

    Gods reside in the supernatural and you dont believe in them because they cant be materially proven and you immediately contradict yourself by claiming you can believe in other supernatural (things) which can not be materially proven. :spin:

    nice contradiction.

    So typical of your posts, proving severely defective logic and reasoning!

    A constant diet of that nonsense is why I asked you to put me on iggy to stop your from spamming my thread.
     
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    First, why are you so keen to make it about me? I didn't say anything about myself. I said that a person who believes in ghosts or other supernatural things but doesn't believe in Gods is an atheist, since atheism only regards god belief. I don't personally believe in ghosts. Note that you never asked if I did. You presumed and declared that I did.

    Buddhists and Taoists are usually atheists. They believe in spirit force, reincarnation, and many other things that can't be materially proven. But since they don't believe in Gods, they are still atheists.

    There are plenty of atheists who believe in other things that can't be materially proven too, ranging from ghosts to reiki healing. Atheist doesn't necessarily equate to materialist or even rational. You could be a materialist and be an atheist, but you don't have to be to be an atheist. And you could be rational and be an atheist, but you don't have to be to be an atheist. Atheists can believe in all manner of crazy things, and still be atheists, so long as they don't believe in Gods. And no, that doesn't mean I myself believe in any supernatural thing in particular that you'll now accuse me of.
     
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    budhism is a religion
    How can one be a materialist without being an atheist?
    Another one of your quaint contradictions?
    You have just admitted atheists have been falsely advertising all along, that they are no more rational than believers!

    You are an atheist, therefore by your own definitions you (and all other atheists) in fact have some supernatural beliefs that cannot be proven therefore are not rational! bravo
    :eek:

    You, in one post, just wiped out 95% of the atheist mantra! :cynic:
    :clapping:

    Atheists believe in supernatural
    God is a subset of the supernatural!
    Atheists in fact do not rely upon the 'scientific method' for their beliefs
    Atheists in fact are not rational

    Therefore atheism is in fact a religion!
    Therefore atheists believe in supernatural beings!
    God is a supernatural being
    Therefore atheists believe in G/gods!

    :cheerleader:
     
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    Yes. You can be religious without being a theist. Not all religions feature Gods.

    In Vietnam they build shrines to their ancestors, and burn paper models of various items, ranging form shirts to cars to even cigarettes (that one makes me laugh), with the religious belief that this sends such items to their deceased loved ones in the afterlife. And guess what? Most of them don't believe in Gods, so they are atheists.

    I said you can be atheist without being a materialist. Can you spot the difference? Can you see your misreading now? Is your fail one of logic or of reading comprehension?

    No, that's not what I wrote. But I did write that being atheist doesn't guarantee you are rational. Neither does being theist. And are there some theists who are more rational than some atheists? Sure. Who told you otherwise? There are also many atheists who are more rational than many theists.

    Is atheism itself more rational than theism? I don't think so, no. Not if we are simply talking theism itself and not something more specific than deism. I do find that many theistic (and atheistic) religious claims are often irrational and self-contradictory though, Christianity, Islam and Judaism among them.

    There you go again, declaring I wrote something I did not write. When somebody writes that some in group X are Y, you have a tendency to then declare that they said everyone in group X is Y, and that the author herself, if she is in group X must be Y. That's a logical fallacy. And I think you know that. So why do you keep doing it?

    Not what I said. I said some atheists do. I said it doesn't preclude one from being atheist. I did not say that all atheists nor atheists generally, nor myself personally do.

    Is this you displaying your lack of reading comprehension, logical reasoning, or honesty? Which of the three is it? I'm guessing the third.
     
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    What is supernatural?

    The term is attributed to non-physical entities, such as angels, demons, gods, and spirits.
    Supernatural - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Supernatural


    What does it mean to live a supernatural life?

    The supernatural life is a Holy Spirit empowered life. It is a life that depends on God for wisdom and strength. May 14, 2017

    Living the supernatural life

    https://guardian.ng › ibru-ecumenical-centre › living-the-


    Supernatural beings
    • Angels
    • Demons
    • Devil
    • Fairies
    • Ghosts
    • Goddesses
    • Gods
    • Phoenix (Mythical bird)
    • Unicorns
    • Vampires
    • Witches
    • Wizards


    Oh, you are showing us a dimension of atheism no one knew about.

    I think its just dandy that atheists can disbelieve in G/god(s) and believe in supernatural Angels, Demons, Gods, Goddesses, Spirits, and the Holy Ghost.

    So atheists dont believe in God but its a-ok jim dandy to believe in the holy ghost!

    Absolutely brilliant! :omfg:

    Its backpedal, move the goalposts time!
     
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    Yes, seems so. So you now admit I never said I believe in ghosts? Can you now see that "X doesn't preclude Y" and "You can be Y and also X" doesn't equate to "All X are Y" or "I am X so I am Y"?

    Again, is it reading comprehension, logical reasoning or honesty that you lack? If you were either of the first two and if you were good faith actor we could help you with these things. Since it's the third, you simply aren't worth the bandwidth.
     
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    your bandwidth problem is self explanatory
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    you had several opportunities to retract that nonsense, instead you doubled down!
    Now since you did not retract your contradictory claims you prove you dont understand the dictionary either ~sigh~
    On the bright side others do!
     
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    Busted you are, yes. It is beyond me or anyone but you to retract your nonsense that you try to assign to others.

    All we can do is try to correct your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of us, and since you refuse to listen, that is a pointless endeavor.
     
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    Listen???
    Oh I listened and so did everyone else out here!
    Its total brilliance to conclude that atheists can believe in the holy "ghost", a part of the triune God.
    Father, Son, and Holy 'Ghost'!

    Now the rest of us think thats nutterville bordering on insanity.
    Some pretty looney :icon_shithappens: you are trying to sell friend.
    Whatever floats your boat I suppose!
     
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    atheism,
    in general, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. As such, it is usually distinguished from theism, which affirms the reality of the divine and often seeks to demonstrate its existence.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/atheism

    Its because of the same kind of foolish **** I quoted from your previous posts, that you kept posting in my thread, is precisely why I asked you to put me on ignore, hoping you would spam someone elses thread, but because of your obsession with me you relentlessly continue to post in my thread anyway even though claiming you had me on ignore, and now you claim you 'had' to put me on ignore due to my posting, and you pretend that you are having an honest "good faith" debate.

    Seems thats all you got in your little bag to post is pejorative ad hom well poisoning tactics.



     
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    Everyone else perhaps. Not you clearly. You are special.

    Yes. Is even more brilliant when you project that after I didn't write it. Saying X doesn't preclude Y does not mean X doesn't preclude Y+Z.

    It is, again, you either failing at reading comprehension, logic, or honesty? So which is it?

    Who are these others you often speak for? The voices in your head? You speak only for yourself. Do you border on insanity? You often present that way, but I still think it's an act.
     

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