Body camera videos show 13-year-old Adam Toledo put hands up before fatal police shooting in Chicago

The shot spotter guided the police to the exact spot where they were shooting, and they both had residue on their hands. We also know that the latin kings, the gang those two doctors were members of, has told their own members to take shots at unmarked police cars.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...ld-boy-killed-by-chicago-cop-got-gun/2478738/

What a fine 13 year old "little homicide" he was, shooting at cars at 2:30 am!

 

Nothing in your link says anything about him shooting at cars. Try again

 

Diubkry post

 

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2720580/adam-toledo-gang-affiliation-latin-kings-death/

this link shows where the Latin kings gave him the tattoo of his nickname “little homicide” it was reported to the police that those two idiots were shooting at cars. The shotspotter confirmed shots were fired.
And they had powder residue. Why do you think that was?

 

And still no proof from you that they were shooting at cars and it was not "reported to the police that those two idiots were shooting at cars" . Another lie from you

 

BS. The mental gymnastics you’ll perform to keep the violent felons of society right back where they can continue to harm your fellow Americans is astounding.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/4...t-gang-retaliation-latin-kings-little-village reported shots.

thanks for choosing the sickest of the sick over the rest of us.

 

LOL. How can they retaliate to the Toledo shooting before he was shot. That is some mental gymnastics from you!

So once again :And still no proof from you that they were shooting at cars and it was not "reported to the police that those two idiots were shooting at cars" . Another lie from you

 

so what were they shooting at, since you’re doing the mental gymnastics?
From the article which you obviously didn’t read;

Gang members ‘instructed’ to shoot at police vehicles after Adam Toledo shooting, cops warned

 

Which bit of "after Adam Toledo shooting" do you not understand?

We don't know what they were shooting at. We do know that no one reported that someone had shot their car.

 

No, watch the film, he went to ditch the gun rather than just drop it and the officer fired because he thought he was about to fire on him.

 

Of course he did, otherwise he wouldn't have fired.

 

First off, I don't know the particulars here, but I do know...

Any person older than 12 is not a kid. In the military they use the term MAM "military age male." This whole thing of calling teenagers kids has gotten out of hand. A child is prepubescent. A kid is prepubescent. A 13 14 15 16 and certainly not a 17 year old is not a kid and should never be called a a kid or child. Meanwhile you have people, especially those in education referring to teenagers and even college aged adults as kids. Am I nuts? Probably...

 

"He enjoyed sports and was a good kid." -family statement.

"Good kids don't roam the streets at 3am shooting at random cars as they drive by" -my statement.

 

That was a relatively recent development in the kids activities.

I can understand the cop's concern. Really. That it was a 13 year old really has no bearing on his actions, the cop sees someone with a gun who turns and brings his hands up. The cop was clearly thinking the hands were coming up to fire and in that there is some justification. The cop failed, probably due to Adrenalin, but failed non the less.

More non lethal needs to be developed, shoot them with a tranquilizer gun with a built in tracker perhaps. If the gun industry really put their minds to it I'm sure they could develop a rapid and reasonably safe weapon. They wont though because if they did then everyone would want one, especially hold up artists and burglars. They'd have a great couple of years but then nobody would be stealing guns keeping them in business. Eventually only hunters and fanatics would have lethal weapons in their homes.

 

I understand just perfectly that the latin kings have him a gun and a tattoo, it's in the article.

so why was he out shooting at 2:30 am again?

 

You said "He did have a gun and the officer was justified shooting him."
But he didn't have a gun when he raised his hands. And your last reply doesn't dispute this one bit.

 

he didn't have a gun when the officer fired, as we see in the video.

 

We'll have phasers one day then we can ban projectile firearms outright.

But I wont use the the word failure to describe the cop's actions. Active shooter, in a gang neighborhood, running from the officer, concealing his hands only to spin around giving the officer literally less than 1 second to decide if hes about to be shot himself. The video can be broken down frame by frame and the amount of time that passes before the firearm, visible in his right hand as he turns to his left, potentially concealing the firearm behind his body, to the point where the hand is visible again sans firearm is less than half a second. I believe this was a justified shooting 100%.

The failure falls elsewhere. Because how does America have so many cities where gangs can control multiple blocks worth of territory, openly identifying themselves, openly recruiting, and openly conducting their criminal enterprise? What year is this? Why is this still a thing? Of course the answer is because we are a society that tolerates criminality, elevates sinners to sainthood, and seeks to demonizing everything that is normal and civil in the name of Marxist progress. We were never tough enough to stop them when we could and now they are stronger than us and any will we had to wipe them out has long since been replaced with a cuck's fancy. The failure - belongs to us all.

 

Actually the answer is that in far, far too many cases, the police search and arrest or hassle the very people that called them. In a white neighborhood, if someone calls about a suspicious character the police arrive quickly and start searching the grounds. In a black neighborhood they ask what are the gang bangers looking for? You got drugs? Guns? I think I smell pot let me have a look. Oh, your boy has a joint, we'll be taking him downtown, you can come bail him out tomorrow. That's why the gang bangers were here, looking to make a sale probably. With your boy in jail they should leave you alone but call if they don't, we're here to serve and protect.
With that kind of "service" it is not surprising that people don't call. Better to live in fear than fear your child is going to prison because you called.
It's obviously not the case for all police officers. But there are enough bad cops to send doubt into a community. Shame really because most cops are good people and would be even better cops if not badly treated because of their bad colleagues. Unions need to stand up and represent the interests of the good cops and protect that and not the bad cops.

 

In both cases he ditched the gun and the officer thought he was bringing it around, if he had just dropped it things would be different,

 

He did drop it. We all know it. Things aren't different... because the cop just sucks.

 

In fairness, the cop could not see that he had dropped the gun behind the fence. Still, this and other cops are too fast to shoot. The cop had his gun out and trained on the child and he would not have risked his life had he hesitated long enough to see the gun was no longer present.

 

In all fairness. He could not see if the kid had a gun in the first place. Only on maybe a still frame from the camera you can see something. But in general... it's a no. The cop also rushed to his victim without a care in the world. They don't do that to people who got shot while armed in case they still are able to shoot back.

But mostly the kid responded with stopping to run, and responded to raising his hands. That kid isn't trained to do that, but was able to do that in split seconds. A cop who received his training, and he -according to you- just pre-emptively executed the kid. Do you realize his kind of training and responding is just slower than an untrained 13 year old? And not willing to risk your own life can be roughly translated that the life of the kid does not matter. I got a very hard time believing all of this that this is the standard of a cop that is acceptable.

Imagine a world where a cop gets to execute anybody who, on request, just tossed their guns away and raised their arms. Why would anybody ever comply with what a cop demand with them odds in mind? Loads would pre-emptively shoot at a cop first before their potentially innocent life would be terminated. Think about that one, when you're the one being asked to stop and raise your hands when you walk outside, and legally carrying a weapon.


That is besides there is something evil about the way the cop wrote it all down in his police report. He listed that 13 year old as an adult, uncomplying and armed and so shot in self defense. They also well orchestrated the idea that the kid was just a gang member to play the public before they ever released the vid.

 

He did drop it. We see this clearly on the video. He was unarmed and complying fully with the officer when he was murdered.

 

He tossed it in order to hide it, had he just dropped it he would not have been shot.