BORDER SHOWDOWN: Republican Governors Across U.S. Stand with Texas Against Feds

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  1. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the Federal government is not protecting our borders. If Biden tries to activate the National Guard it will be an unlawful order and all National Guard personnel will have the right to disobey Biden's order.
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We have an Immigration Bill in place right now. It is not being enforced. The money is available and the laws are in place. I don't like the tax laws so maybe I will just not pay my taxes until congress makes changes to the existing tax laws? That is what Democrats are doing.
     
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    One wonders why Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York that is dropping billions of tax-payers dollars to aid people who shouldn't be here in the first place thanks to Joe Biden- Isn't among them.... yet.
    Sooner or later the majority of Democrats are going to realize their party is taking them down the road to hell, and figure out their own party has screwed them.

    Abbot is doing the right thing, the legal thing, the moral thing. He's standing up for the people he represents.

    Joe assumes a different position....
     
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    What's the SCOTUS ruling? You think that America is served by choosing which legal rules are followed? Abbott will capitulate and the Feds will do their jobs. Biden won, get over it.
     
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    So there it is. Republicans have zero interest in border security and will bow to Trump no matter what.
     
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    Pretty sure that's wrong
     
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    And again. The majority of these people are not illegal, they are asylum seekers.

    Are you saying we should deport people who have legally used the asylum process?
     
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    Good for the Administration maybe.
     
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    States do not control borders, nations do.
     
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    So the Republicans leading up to the Midterms number 1 issue was immigration. Since taking over the house they haven't presented anything to address the border. Their budget proposal the house passed, actually takes away resources and funding from border patrol. Biden has even tried to give them more man power and funding and Republicans turn it down. A bi-partisan bill for immigration reform was proposed and the organ-a-TAN told repubs to deny/block/stop it.

    Let’s be very clear here, this immigration bill is DOA. But for the simple reason, they think it helps Trump. The border “problem” isnt a problem if Republicans are fine waiting another 10 months to do something. Now Texas is defying federal law pushing the country to the brink of civil war

    Did you also know that the first bill Biden proposed as POTUS was immigration reform, and the repubs voted against it ?

    So let’s be honest with ourselves and admit that this issue is being stoked by republicans denying anything needed to secure the border, because they are winning in the political arena on this. Think about that for 10 seconds……they are willing to destroy the country, and start a civil war, for their own power
     
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    They Senate wants to pass a bill but not for border protection. They want mo money, money to hire more agents so they can process these people faster and get them in country. Republican voters want the uncontrolled flow stopped

    Bipartisan would mean the bill in question dealt with both issues to a large degree, it don't do that. If Republicans pass this bill it will truely piss off the rank and file who are the ones most effected by this Democrat push to repopulate the United States.
     
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    Just thought I'd put this here. It's a video of illegal aliens (not migrants, undocumented immigrants, refugees or asylum seekers, but illegals) storming the shore of La Jolla, CA, and running into the neighborhood.

    The word is out that you can come here every which was possible and you'll get in. Since these illegal aliens obviously aren't seeking asylum, how are they going to survive? Crime is my guess.


    https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1750635238902911095
     
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    Too be fair, it is a Twitter post claiming something.

    I find it ironic that people can know the immigration status, nation of origin, or citizenship of others simply by sight.
     
  14. Steve N

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    When you looked at that video, what did you think you were seeing?
     
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    What the Senate proposes isnt border protection
     
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    A bunch of bored people gawking.
     
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    It's a comprehensive bipartisan bill that deals with many immigration sub-issues, including increased boarder protection.
     
  18. Steve N

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    You're in denial.
     
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    That's a bizarre take. The Republican House passed a border bill, the Democratic senate stopped it, and now you say there is no progress because of the "trumpublican house."

    Heh.
     
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    Okay. My post seems like an accurate portrayal of the events in your video.
     
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    Do you have an explanation why people in a boat land where there's no dock or pier and then scampered into the city while people stopped and watched them do it because it was so unusual (or maybe it isn't)

    So what's your guess, if they're not illegals then who are they, Hawaiians hitting the mainland for some early Valentine's Day shopping?
     
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    At least you say "legally used" the asylum process. IF you apply for asylum under false pretenses- that is ILLEGAL, and a crime.

    Do you understand that "Asylum" is the secret password to get in free, that all these people know it? Abara Cadabara: Asylum. Open Sesame.
    They aren't seeking "asylum"- they are seeking people gullible enough to accept it when they can't verify it at all. That's not only being gullible, it's stupidity- and they're taking advantage of it.


    Genuine Asylum Seekers can apply for it at any embassy or the port of entry. If they are in Mexico- they have already left any threat to their lives in their home country far behind, and are not at risk.
    The need for Asylum means that your life is in immediate danger in your home country, and you need to go somewhere else where it is not. This means a physical danger to the person.
    It's not the economics of their life, and it certainly does not apply to people trying to escape criminal justice in their homeland. The true need for asylum is probably a single-digit percentage of the people who claim it, and because we accept the claim and grant the privileges before we have any real evidence to support it- we allow ourselves to be overwhelmed with such people, and the backload of such claims quickly means it will be years before we can do so. This is common knowledge around the world, and Joe has made it so. Free admission, great benefits, no obligations or consequences that get followed up on.

    When the first thing they do is enter illegally- they violate our laws, and literally make themselves criminals. But if they are caught- they are suddenly asylum seekers. Possibly trying to escape prosecution from their own country over the laws they violated there. We know that at least 80% of asylum claims are frauds, and that's a conservative number.

    The concept of immigration has nothing to do with what is going on here. True immigrants come to be Americans, they contribute, and they honor our laws. The illegals give our law the middle finger on the way in- and the act of violating the border should result in zero accommodation, immediate deportation and prohibit them from ever entering this nation again.

    We could bring the border under control, in a matter of days- with a simple policy change:

    NO asylum option shall be available for anyone who illegally crosses the border.

    If we made that our policy, effective immediately- the mass of illegals violating the border would drop like a rock.

    The hordes of people from around the world forming huge mobs of people heading to the border would wither.

    Big problems don't always need huge solutions- they need common sense.
     
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    And that would be the responsibility of congress.

    Not the executive branch

    And seeing that nothing will be done on the border from congress as trump has decreed his party to try and hurt the nation — while also saying he hopes we enter a recession — I don’t know how we fix this.
     
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    I don't think the full details of the bill has be release yet. I have heard more more for border agents but I have also heard more money for technology to prevent crossings. Maybe more drones and camera cover detect crossings of both illegals and drugs. I may be bias but IMO technology is key for advancing most solutions.
     
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    I don't care about the administration. I am hoping good for America. I am not sure every is taking the same approach. There are many that seem to be thinking in terms of good for their political leader of choice.
     

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