Boy Scout leader arrested for; guess what to little boys?

I understood exactly what you said, and what you said is an outright lie. Now answer the questions, or admit you're lying to suit your POV.

One more time:

1. Are you in love with your brother?
2. Does your brother turn you on?
3. Why are you using incest as a comparison to homosexuality?

 

Pedophilia = harms children physically and psychologically.

Being gay = ?

This is why people think the right are loony when it comes to homosexuality, the fact that many cannot genuinely distinguish between homosexuality and pedophilia, or simply see them as being part of the same kettle of fish.

It's actually disturbing.

 

Pedophilia is an erotic attraction to children. Lear to distinguish between pedophilia and child molestation.

 

Is pedophilia a choice, or are people born that way?

I don't see how a gay person could argue it is a choice, and then argue people are born gay.

And I don't know why anyone would argue that someone born a pedophile shouldn't be put down.

So I would think gay people would be all for capital punishment for child molesters.

 

"gay trumps incest, every day" is a saying me and my brother use when we are acting gay in the poker room (in order to get people off their game)

gay makes the issues people have with incest, go away. No 11 toed babies to worry about. So whenever gays are allowed to marry, what argument is there to stop two brothers from marrying? If 2 brothers are then allowed to marry, how can you say no to a brother sister marrying.

If "having kids" can't be an issue we use to prevent gays from marrying... how can it then be used to prevent heterosexual incest from happening.


The EXACT same arguments that gays use now, will be the same arguments that incests will use in 20 years.

 

I simply meant that pedophilia CAN result in harming children, not that it always does.

 

I don't know if that has ever been looked into. Everyone is a potential killer, though, depending on any number of circumstances. Most if not all of us are capable of it at some level, I think.

 

I don't think it's impossible - I supppse there could be some biological factors at play. Personally my theory is that it relates to personality traits such as the desire to control and manipulate, experiences like a regressed childhood (whereby they still identify THEMSELVES as being sexually "young") and sexual fetishes like being infatuated and aroused by innocence...

But I haven't done any real research on the subject so as I said it's just a theory. I don't think there's any one cause...

Being a pedophile is highly unlikely to be a "choice" in the sense they consciously decided they wanted to be attracted to children one day.

But sexual orientation relates to gender, which is, at least in the case of heterosexuality, proven to be determined by biological factors (as in the case of animals relying on instinct alone). I think it unlikely that age and sexuality are linked.

 

I realize, but I don't know if sentencing can be such a motivation. The great majority are scared of a night in jail. Even more so, years. Yet, a huge number still commit crimes worthy of such. Police play this lack of foresight all the time in the use of forced coercion. Basically, if someone was going to kill a victim to help aid in not getting caught, they would already do so at the threat of years in jail.

 

Where there is truth, there is consistency.

I've always hated the "born that way argument".

If being gay wasn't a choice, I wouldn't see so many of my lesbian coworkers going after women currently with men.

I wouldn't know so many straight women who went to prison and came back lesbian.

It is only the social stigma towards gay/bi men that keeps the numbers from being the same.

There was a time we thought 90% of men masturbated and only 20% of women. Once the social stigma died, we found out the numbers were identical.

Fact of the matter is, they are both a choice. One with a consenting adult that shouldn't be anyone's business, and one with a child that should be a punishable offense.

 

I cant deny that I have been upset with my girlfriend, wishing she would go away but leave the vagina behind. Ive never been upset with her vagina.

 

Well, if people are born straight... why can't they be born gay?

Or do you reject the notion that anyone is born predisposed to anything sexually, and it's all learned?

How do you know those women aren't bisexual?

Could EVERY woman be persuaded, even those without pre-existing same-sex attraction? Simply trying it once & wanting to do it again are two different things. But it's never random, people do things for a reason - in this case some kind of pre-existing attraction or "curiosity"...

How many women do you know who this actually happened to?

The fact that the vast majority of women go to prison and don't come out lesbians should tell you that most women don't have the same-sex attraction there in the first place.

Don't get me wrong prison sex happens all the time, but are those people 100% unequivocally straight, always have been and never ever considered it before? I'd say that's unlikely.

Agree here, but I interpret that as meaning that more bisexual men are simply afraid to come out or accept that they have those attractions.

Sexual orientation and masturbation are nothing like one another. If social stigma were the reason that homosexuality were so uncommon, it would follow that the % of LGB people would have steadily increased over the past 10/15 years with the drastic evolution of gay rights and public acceptance, and yet this doesn't seem to have happened...

 

I'm not trying to kick anyone in the balls. I mean no offense.

But I have seen gay people say "born gay" out of one side of their mouth, and then refer to the "gay meter" out of the other side.(Referring to everyone being gay on a scale from 1-10)

Everything in life is a choice. When arguing gay people shouldn't be punished because they're "born that way", you're acknowledging that it is alright to punish people for choices that don't hurt anyone. I shouldn't have to be "born a smoker" to not be punished for smoking cigarettes.

The whole notion is dumb. Maybe it needed to happen to get acceptance to the level it is at, but at this point it seems retarded.

The choice argument is so much more valid than the born one. The only thing I can think of is that progressives want to be able to punish people for choice, so the things they support the make up weird arguments for, because in the end, they want to be able to punish people for smoking, owning guns, eating unhealthy, drinking soda pop, etc etc.

 

silly goose, how many times must I post about how we ran our soccer organization ? To try and portray yourself as having a monopoly on concern for kids is laughable. Every conservative poster here has stated as such

 

Directly contradicted what he said

 

Take this guy out in the woods, tie him to a tree and shove a bat up his ass. After he's suffered, kill him with the bat.

 

Proven falsehood

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Girls are by far molested more by pedophiles than boys

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Proven falsehood

 

Proven falsehood

 

And this is the problem. It's also the issue when people say that 3.4% of the population identifies as gay but victims of abuse are "three times more likely to be of the same sex" so therefore "gay" people are statistically "far more likely to be abusers" (which all major medical and social science bodies refute).

What they miss is that large numbers of the people they like to call "homosexual" abusers don't belong to that 3.4%. Are some within that 3.4% abusers? Sure but research suggests the proportion of those who are is no higher than self identifying heterosexuals. Persons trying to propagate this perspective like to imply that the remaining 96.6% are all exclusively heterosexual and are ONLY attracted to adults or children of the opposite sex.

But the truth is large numbers of that 96.6% aren't exclusively heterosexual in their orientation to anyone. Sure, there will be mostly heterosexual identifying persons in the group and most won't be child abusers. Some will be abusers though and amongst them some will be heterosexual abusers and some will be bi-sexual abusers and some will be homosexual abusers. Within that category will be many of the large group of self-identifying heterosexuals who abuse their own children or children of very close relatives. Similar things can be said of people who are bi-sexual in their adult attractions. Most won't be abusers but some will be. Some will be bi-sexual in their abuse patterns, some heterosexual and some homosexual. Still again there are those who have zero adult attraction but are either hetero, homo or bisexual abusers.

My point is that none of the above would be statistically counted as "homosexuals" with regard to the 3.4% estimate of the population that are. They would all be classed as non-homosexuals by statement or assumption.

Some people like to suggest that anyone of any age who ever has any attraction to or sexual experience with a same sex person of any age is a homosexual. Well fair enough if that's your yardstick but, if it is, then the absolute number of "homosexuals" is waaaay higher than 3.4%. Who knows what it is: 10% 20%, 30%? Either way as that number rises the proportion of victims of homosexual abuse goes down as the proportion of "homosexuals" in the general population goes up.

You can't have it both ways. Well, unless you're a bi-sexual or an obsessed social conservative.

 

to clarify, the 3.4% figure which Gallup found was for all lifestyles which deviate from the heterosexual lifestyle. That would not only be homosexual but includes cross dressers and anything which is not straight up adult male dressed as a male with adult female dressed as a female intercourse.

 

oh I know the difference, but it doesnt make gay people normal.

 

Being not normal =/= being a criminal. Gay is not a crime, Pedophile is. Simple as that.

 

Being a pedophile is not crime! Beins a peodphile means being erotically attracted predominantly towards prepubescent children. Unless you can find a law that makes it a crime, don't say such nonsense.

 

And homosexual pediofiles are attrached to.....................

Because it is a type of sex they enjoy, homosexual.

 

Let's just keep it simple and assume that by pedophile we mean people who have already committed a crime.
It's seems to be hard enough to tell pedos and gays apart for a lot of people.