BREAKING: House passes a 45-day stopgap measure to keep government open, sends bill to Senate

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  1. Zorro

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    Rep. Bowman Pulls Fire Alarm Again While Trying To Flush Urinal.

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    'WASHINGTON, D.C. — New York Congressman Jamaal Bowman again found himself trying to explain away an awkward situation today, as he apparently once again pulled the Capitol fire alarm whilst attempting to flush a urinal.'

    '"Oh my, is that what that does? I thought it was for the urinal," Bowman reportedly said when questioned by the Capitol Police. "I was just trying to get rid of my waste. Shaking hands with an old friend, you know? I thought pulling that lever would evacuate my urine from the receptacle. My mistake!"'

    'When pressed for further explanation, Rep. Bowman continued to claim it was an innocent error. "I'm really going to have to plead ignorance on this one," he said. "It activates the fire alarm? Seriously? I thought it said ‘FIRE' on it in huge, clear letters to let anyone know how to clear out the urinal after a long session of Congress. I'm being honest here."'
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your supposed quote (while mildly funny) is bogus. It is not from your cited NY Post article. That article gives Bowman's excuse, that he thought it would open a door for him:

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    As Bowman took heat for the incident, he insisted to reporters afterward that he pulled the alarm handle because he thought it would open the door.

    “I was rushing to make a vote, I was trying to get through a door. I thought the alarm would open the door,” he said.

    “I didn’t mean to cause confusion . . . I didn’t know it was going to trip the whole building.”
    <End>
     
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    Both sides have recently put out updates on their ability to continue to wage this war through 2025/26.

    The Ukrainians will NEVER surrender to Russia, there will be a guerilla war against Russia if it were to occupy the whole of Ukraine just as there would be here if a foreign power invaded and took the US.

    Russia NEEDS the Ukrainian oil fields in Donbas which is what this war is really all about. The current Ukrainian offensive is designed to make life MISERABLE for the invading Orcs during the cold winter months. Supply lines are coming within range of Ukrainian missiles.

    Ultimately Russia will have to concede defeat because their economy is already stressed and it cannot continue to function WITHOUT foreign trade. Then there is the failing health of the Kremlin Gremlin to consider. His grasp on power has been openly challenged already, the next challenge will succeed because the challengers know the stakes if they fail.

    So there are multiple potential ends to this war. By 2026 it will be clear which side is prevailing and it is unlikely to be Russia.
     
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    The Iranian drone factory was damaged by a fire recently.

    The Australians are supplying the Ukrainians with cardboard drones that are even more difficult to spot on radar.

    The fact that the extreme right supports the Kremlin Gremlin is very telling.
     
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    So Freedom, Democracy and Rights in Ukraine are NOT in the interests of the West, NATO or Biden?

    Please explain how you reached your conclusion.
     
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    Have you read the Xtofascist 2025 Manifesto yet?

    Not hard to figure out who the puppet masters are that calling the shots.
     
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    I'd not heard about the drone factory fire, I don't think. Was this a case of sabotage? Or perhaps even (Israeli?) attack?

    I applaud any tools given to Ukraine, to counter Russia's aggression. I imagine the explosive power of cardboard drones is pretty limited, but still, every bit helps-- so cheers, to the Aussies! :beer:
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you mean the Heritage Foundation papers? Yes, I've seen their troubling plan. But this doesn't really explain who is pulling the strings of the Freedom Caucus members, does it? Not that I'm sure they don't get funding from Right wing business interests, but their antics must also play well with their constituent base, who I imagine contribute significantly to their fundraising efforts, as well.


    EDIT: Or had you only meant that Donald Trump is their master, as is obvious? While they are obedient to Trump, this doesn't mean that often, their acts are not independently chosen.
     
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    I say they are useful idiots, in that they were chosen to run, and supported to run by those who want to use them to tear things down so they can be rebuilt with with even more radical ideals. The leadership of the Republican Party, needs those on the very radical right also, so that their ideas of change, and the legislation they want to enact doesnt seem so radical (which it is),to the america electorate.

    Think about whats happening right now. The radicals (Matte Gaetz), is trying to remove the speaker of the house (because he apparently isnt radical enough), while the rest of the party is trying to pass this BS spending bill that is VERY far right. But everyone is staring at Matt Gaetz “I’m gunna shut down the country”, and Bobo’s broadway BJ, and then when they look at what is being passed they look and say “these things are tame compared to….”
     
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    This is the part of my post you left out. The US borrows money from China to support Ukraine's war against Russia who is allied with China. The US is supporting an authoritarian communist dictator in China while claiming it is fighting for democracy in Ukraine?
     
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  11. DEFinning

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    I wouldn't call the fact that China holds a lot of our U.S. Debt, the same thing as our supporting their government-- it is actually the reverse! By the way, China has recently reduced its buying of U.S. government securities. And because all of these debt instruments are calibrated to specific time periods-- for T-bills, it can be as short as four weeks, up to a year-- if China funds less of our Debt with current purchases, their overall holdings will continually diminish, as their previous investments in U.S. securities, reach maturity.
     
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    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-central-city-isfahan-state-media-2023-01-28/

    Looks like the Iranian attack might have been a Mossad operation.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09...ade-cardboard-drones-russia-warfare/102804120

    Apparently the payload is about 11 ibs each but they are so cheap that they can be used to SWARM the Orc air defence systems and overload them.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...tack-on-russian-airfield-20230829-p5e0bv.html

    The problem for the Orcs is that they don't know if a drone is lethal so they have to shoot all of them down. From purely a cost/benefit POV sending in the cardboard drones first enables the TARGETING of the Orc air defense batteries which can then be taken out by more effective means.

    Essentially a variation on cardboard tanks and HIMARS but just as effective at drawing enemy fire towards the wrong targets.
     
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    The key to identifying the puppet masters is to follow the strings backwards. Who authored the Xtofascist Manifesto, who funded them, who approved of the content?

    The Golden Coif is NOT a mastermind and while he LIKES the idea of becoming Dear Fuhrer he is NOT capable of the kind of thinking nor the planning that went into it.

    From what I have gathered there is a COALITION of Xtofascist groups who collaborated on the Manifesto. There is no SINGLE individual who put this together by themselves.

    Picking a Supreme Leader appears to be a given because they know how to push his buttons. Meatball Ron is drooling for the chance in the event that Inmate P01355809 is unavailable. He would be a far greater threat IMO.
     
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    Wrong, I never left anything OUT from your post, that ADDITIONAL part was NEVER in it. Feel free to check your post for yourself.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-sends-bill-to-senate.613910/#post-1074454966

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    NONE of what you posted above ADDRESSES the QUESTION that I asked you.

    Here it is AGAIN, this time try actually ANSWERING the question DIRECTED at what you ORIGINALLY posted.

    FB: "Is Biden doing this for China’s benefit because I fail to see how it benefits the other players involved."

    DT: "So Freedom, Democracy and Rights in Ukraine are NOT in the interests of the West, NATO or Biden? Please explain how you reached your conclusion."
     
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    The guy's a school principal, so I had disregarded that excuse, but, I've since learned that he tried the door first, found it locked and then pulled the alarm to open the door.

    And the first line of my post is a hyperlink to the Babylon Bee.
     
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    As long as stupid people think their party is better than the other guys party :)
     
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    None of what you posted explained why the US is borrowing money from China to pay for Ukraine's war against Russia which is an ally of China.
     
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    As there are multiple other threads on the subjects, spanned within this thread -- namely, questions about the budget, or any part thereof; the Debt/deficit debate; and, especially, the Machiavellian jockeying for power & influence in the House, specifically around Kevin McCarthy's Speakership-- it seems unavoidable that some will repeat their comments, from those multiple other threads, in which they might partake (and vice versa). So I am going to reiterate an argument on the Speakership vote, which I just posted, elsewhere:

    McCarthy doesn't fear the Freedom Caucus-- he fears Trump's turning against him. I suppose I should further qualify that, to define that Trump's current directing of the Rebel Right, to force a government shutdown on Kevin's watch, is not considered, being against him. This sabotaging of McCarthy's ability to succeed, at the position for which Trump had half-heartedly supported him, comes with the erratic territory, of Trump's "good will." Any of Trump's political "friends," don't need any enemies-- ask Mike Pence.

    McCarthy's dilemma, is that he could easily forge a governing coalition, with the majority of his own party, along with even only a small number of Democrats. But this would require his seeming to work with Democrats-- and what would Trump say about that? Therefore, Democrats who speak of a "power-sharing" arrangement, don't get that this would mean McCarthy's going head-on, against Trump; and that is an absolute deal breaker, in Kevin's mind. Certainly, Dems can try to get some assurances from McCarthy, in exchange for their support-- for whatever those are really worth. But my point is that there could not be any, publicly known, "agreement."

    Some might think, then why trust McCarthy? The first part of that answer is, the House has about six weeks to pass the necessary appropriations bills, to fully fund our government, which they should have been working on months ago, but which have gone nowhere. There really is no time, for dicking around, for days of pointless voting. No alternate Republican, in the end, is going to be any better, and could possibly be worse. All of them, will need receive the blessing of the Freedom Caucus-- which comes, only, with concessions.

    (The one exception would be if Dems could find a Republican who had the guts to not be beholden to his Party's far right Tribe of Anarchy-- and good luck with that. However, the search for this sort of bi-partisan Republican-- who would be ex-communicated by Trump, and so unlikely to garner the necessary Republican backing-- has to be a quick one; and I don't think that Democrats have any ideas, as to at whom, they should direct those entreaties for reason.)

    McCarthy, on the other hand, would be more invested than any other, in passing the budget that President Biden, & the leaders of both parties, in the House and Senate, have all agreed to-- because
    he's the one, who negotiated the deal! So, for right now, at least, he's the one that Dems should back, to pass this budget, including the securing of more aid, for Ukraine.


    For those who don't like McCarthy-- on the Dem side, that is-- it's not like this is a one-time shot, at getting rid of him. He'll surely run afoul of the GOP's Goofy Gang, again. That is his incentive, for not pissing off Democrats too badly. But if he does, Dems can just withdraw their support, the next time (which would come immediately after Democrats signalled, they were done with Kevin). Even if that cutthroat mentality doesn't sit right, with some Dems-- don't worry; as a seeker of Trump's patronage, McCarthy will understand, completely.

     
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    LOOKS LIKE MCCARTHY IS OUT!
    House is still voting, but the Dems are going against McCarthy (not even just voting "present"), so that, at this point, the yeas & nays are about even, with those voting to remove Kevin slightly leading: 80 to remove ("yes"); 75 to keep McCarthy Speaker ("no").

    So the Democrats, whether or not they think of it this way, are siding with the Right wing Cuckoo Contingent, rather than with McCarthy and the majority of Republicans.
     
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    IT'S OFFICIAL-- MCCARTHY IS THE FIRST HOUSE SPEAKER, EVER OUSTED!

    Though 9 Representatives did not vote (including Nancy Pelosi, I believe), the vote has been called closed, with
    216 voting to vacate, 210 voting to keep McCarthy as Speaker.
     
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    While this seems extremely unlikely-- if at least 8 of the 9 who didn't vote, are Democrats, that would have been a brilliant plan (a la Pelosi, I would expect). Let me further caveat this, by saying that I could be wrong. But I believe that, while the vote was closed, their saying that the issue had been "tabled," means that it can be reopened, if those 9 members wanted to vote. So if Dems clearly held Kevin's fate in just their hands, I mean, what would McCarthy have to lose, at that point? If he wants to be Speaker, as much as he obviously does, why wouldn't he cut a deal with the Dems, under those conditions?

    Like I said, though, this was probably not the plan, and so the 9 no-votes are probably more evenly distributed between Parties. It would have been, though, pure tactical genius.




    SUPPLEMENTAL-- After checking: 208 of the 212 Dems in the House, voted along with only 8 Republicans, to depose Speaker McCarthy-- so no more than 4 of the absent votes, could be Democrats.

    Does this mean that things become even more partisan?
     
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    Apparently Freedom, Democracy and Rights in Ukraine are NOT important to those who support Inmate P01355809 given the Failure to respond to the DIRECT question twice.

    Got it!
     
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    Pure speculation on my part but from a Dem perspective McCastrated was a disaster at controlling his rabble so there are opportunities with his removal which begins with who his replacement would be. At least a handful of Crazies all wanting the job and polling the rest for support happening right now.

    However it is possible that those "abstainers" you identified above are a bipartisan group who want a coalition Speaker.

    The Dems know that the Crazies would be DISRUPTIVE if Jeffries became Speaker so it needs to be a moderate Republican instead. Out of 200+ there has to be at least one suitable candidate who would be effective KNOWING that he has BIPARTISAN backing.

    The political gamesmanship here is that if a Republican becomes Speaker with Bipartisan support then the Crazies EXPOSE themselves as being ANTI-GOP. Nothing new about that but it provides a clear distinction between those who can GOVERN and those can only cause CHAOS.

    Just my thoughts, we shall see what transpires.
     
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    In regards to who wants a shutdown I give you the following facts:

    1. Democrats filed a motion to adjourn the House in an attempt to prevent the vote and get everyone to go home which would force a government shut down.

    2. When that vote failed, Bowman pulled the fire alarm to try to prevent the vote and force a government shutdown.
     
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    No, its not "fully funded" lol
     

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