Breaking: Passenger plane shot down over Ukraine?

Intelligence analyst Ray McGovern made ​​his conclusions about the crash
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/18/facts-needed-on-malaysian-plane-shoot-down/

 

Neither does EU or US. It's a metaphor that tells that it is always better to stay together especially for those who are destined to stay in relationship. Wether we want it or not, but we are not only brothers but also neighbours. And Ukraine will never drift to the side of Australia or America.

It claimed independence from USSR. Russia never comprehended Ukraine as a part of USSR since the time that independence was declared.

In fact we have millions of people in Ukraine who want to become a part of Russia. It is a part of the country. It is pergaps a minority. But we cannot let them die just because some aggressive country overseas felt not entertained enough killing iraqians, libyans and siryans and wants to see some russians killed.

 

these ridiculous claims of genocide of Russians in Ukraine, is absurd and paranoid.

 

Igor Strelkov doesn't have any accounts in social networks. It is even written in wikipedia.

 

yeah, put there by Russian Stalinists.

 

Russia Today reporter resigns in protest at MH17 coverageSara Firth criticises Kremlin-backed news channel’s ‘disrespect for facts’ in reports about Malaysia Airlines plane disaster.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-reporter-resigns-sara-firth-kremlin-malaysia

Clearly there are decent Russians out there...aside from the propagandists, that is.

An apology is owed to the people of the Netherlands, the Dutch were hardest hit by this tragedy.

I'll say again and keep saying it again....

This was an accidental shoot-down of a civilian airliner by separatists rebels operating within The Donetsk People's Republic.

An admission of facts is owed to the Dutch, they play no role in this conflict; innocent children were among the victims.

Where is your empathy?

Clearly many Russians know the truth, flowers and offers of condolences have been left at the Dutch embassy in Moscow.

Why is this propaganda campaign necessary, Russia is probably not even culpable in this, this was done by the separatists. To maintain the megalomanical image of Vladimir Putin. There is no future for Russia with a return to Stalinism and it's foundation in paranoia and lies. This is the end result...the complete disregard for the humanity of shooting down a civilian airliner in error and covering it up. All to save face, to avoid embarrasment.

 

Yeah, Russia has been really busy changing Wiki entries.

 

There is no other name for what is happening in Odessa, Lugansk, Donetsk etc.

 

Don't blame Wiki. They are very strong in preserving the special reality for dummies. It was not the first attempt to use social networks and Strelkov's name. Once he just stablished in Slaviansk there were provocative messages in social network. And it was several months before. Then Strelkov officially using the web-site rusvesna.su confirmed that he doesn't have any accounts in the Internet and writes only on one specific Internet forum under a nickname... But for an information war it was needed.

 

Does anyone understand Russian to translate well into English?[video=youtube;PQBv5VCm_J8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQBv5VCm_J8[/video]

 

If there was a shot from the ''BUK'' - this trace would be visible in a radius of 50km. This trace wasn't seen by anybody...

PS: why nobody wants to study - how this plane appeared around war ? Who directed the civil plane there where shoot, has to be punished too !

 

Thank you!

 

Now Grad rockets are being fired from Russia into Ukraine.

 

I think we never know about the truth. It is visible that nobody, neither EU nor the USA doesn't try to do full investigation, except Russia.Russia officially asked to the authorities of Ukraine - record of negotiations of the Ukrainian dispatchers with crew of Malaysian Boeing. Only Russia officially and asked earlier many questions to the Ukrainian government, but answers didn't follow.We hear only from the authorities of Ukraine insignificant talks .
look like the same stories as earlier, not investigation of snipers in Kiev, burned down people in Odessa etc.

 

How do you know that nobody saw it? The only video of the event I've seen so far starts the moment MH17 hits the ground and never pans up to show the sky above.

MH17 had been flying the same route between Amsterdam and Kuala Lumpur for months. If you want to know why it was over the Ukraine, ask Malaysia Airlines since they planned the route.

 

I don't know it, I simply translated video. But I myself also didn't see yet any publications in mass media that someone ( peace people or soldiers) spoke that saw a trace from the rocket (also how the plane fell )

it is a lot of some publications on this subject on the Internet (in different languages in different sources)
Changing MH17 Route From July 14, 2014 to July 17, 2014

http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/breaking-part-ii-evidence-continues-to-emerge-mh17-is-a-false-flag-operation/

ps17 .07. 2014). — Malaysia Airlines confirms it received notification from Ukrainian ATC that it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 1415 (GMT) at 30km from Tamak waypoint, approximately 50km from the Russia-Ukraine border.» (from wiki)
so need to ask Ukraine not Malaysia...

 

Well , how write many Ukrainian
media, separatists had a BUK, it was allegedly already known earlier days before the tragedy.
If to assume that before accident Kiev knew that DNR separatist allegedly has BUK, the authorities of Ukraine had to stop flights over the southeast of the country of civil planes. The Ukrainian party had to take measures that civil planes over this zone didn't fly by. From the point of view of normal law it means, the Ukrainian party knew about what separatists have the BUK and they didn't take away civil planes from a zone of the conflict is already a crime. Besides, these days - Ukraine intensified flights of military planes (began to bomb and shoot on separatists... ) and before everything was quiet in this
zone. On it the Ukrainian party which made routes of flights of civil planes on the territory is guilty first for all. Any normal person if knew that separatists have such weapon - he had to shout for the whole world that there can happen a tragedy. But Kiev didn't do it.
And it like always... it is already not important for the West. The main thing,
already defined who is the guilty earlier by Kiev and Washington . What now? In my guess- we will wait for new lies from black boxes ...

 

You don't need to rely on some publications on the Internet, you can check the routes for yourself.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140716/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh17/

MH17 flew the same path over Eastern Ukraine almost every day in the weeks preceding the incident.

 

Probably already to late, watch at a gif animation on July 16 where i post before - the line passed through the lake and now, I made a print a screen on July 16 also




PS:I looked at a few archive on a site... planes till March 28 fly far from - the East of Ukraine, and then moved on the southeast. (just at this time in the southeast mass meetings and protests against the Kiev junta) now a route again began how it was until the end of March

 

Dispatcher rerouted Boeing 777 on orders from Kiev.

 

Ukraine desperately needs money Air Lines pay for flying over its territory. Besides civilian passenger planes fly on different height and with different speed than military planes. It was really stupid mistake made by Russian military crew. There is a rumor by the way that they all were killed for what they have done.

 

It was really stupid crime made ​​by Ukrainian military crew.

 

prove it

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dont confuse them with the facts.

 

How could Ukrainians shot down this plane when it was flying over rebel controlled territory?

 

The rebels do not have aircraft, sky controls Ukraine.
Ukraine responsible for airspace safety: IATA