Non nobis Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam A templar is a monk and a warrior - comparable with a shaolin priest for example. In general every knight of any european tradition never would kill someone who is not able to defend himselve. Specially a knight never never would kill a woman. A knight never never never would kill children or teenagers. The crusaders had hospitals where they helped everyone - also their enemies. No. He has no influence on Christians. What he says has nothing to do with the "Pauperes commilitones Christi templique Salomonici Hierosalemitanis" - also called Templars or temple knights. Jacques de Molay was murdered in 03/08/1314 from the king of France. He was the last leader of the templars. http://youtu.be/iF0r70MA680
he wants them to execute him rather than keep him in prison. like you, I do not believe in te death penalty. I believe that a life sentence with no parole is the only option.
Seems to me I don't have any idea what you are saying if your are using the word "shame". Why should someone hang him? What would be better in this case? http://youtu.be/nrZqly3XZWc http://youtu.be/-h8PYZ0Dlk0
Good points. Today he said that it was his deliberate intention not to attack Muslims because it was not their fault they were invited to Norway. He instead decided to go for the elite. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/19/anders-behring-breivik-trial-live#block-21#block-19 at 10.36am and earlier.
Suspect we are in agreement but , unlike us , Brevik would not have bothered with details -- just his top line vision .The Knights were Guardians and rode to war to defend the Faith That is , the exact facts do not matter . Rather , it is his general perception of them that does . My concern is that Ultra Right Wing White supremacists tend to be very nationalist and claim to act as Guardians of institutions --- monarchy in the UK and the Church , for example . These are the tilting factors for the Crazies to turn the compass a few degrees and hone in on another crusade .Muslims , Round 2 . But imo.
Someone who is fighting and wining against "the elite" is better than "the elite". But how to fight against teenagers in an holiday camp? Did he win a sack race? Made he the best rainbow bubble? ... No - he went from boy to boy from girl to girl - he enjoyed the panic everywhere - and shot one by one to death. He was the master of the universe. Every innocent life had to die in his mad mind and under his weaponed hands. http://youtu.be/SlykYu5QOkM
I'm not able to understand what you mean concrete. Mr. Anders Behring-Breivick has no idea about the real temple knights. And the political organisation 'temple knights' he was speaking about - a misuse of the word "temple knights" - is one cell and in this cell is one person: Mr. Anders Behring-Breivick. And Mr. Anders Behring-Breivick is a mass-murderer. So what exactly do you fear? http://youtu.be/iC4uTJpmEIE
I am not condoning him, simply saying that your point that he might not be primarily after Muslims would appear to be agreed on by him. However he did consider these young people to be the future elite so that is in keeping with what he said. Of course he had previously intended 3 bombs and then a shoot out but changed his mind. He says the reason was because he found bombs too difficult to build but I am sure you have heard the speculation that he chose the camp because of the activities it was involved in the previous day. However, it does go with him saying he was taking out the elite. This generation and the next. As far as his enjoyment goes. From reports he certainly seemed to be enjoying it which is why I believe he is a psychopath - he could feel no empathy for them and no guilt. However I have also heard that he sometimes spared ones who looked younger. Not sure if that is correct or not. He seems to me to be a psychopath and to have his own version of what he believes is morally right. In other words he appears to believe he had a mission.
He saw a chance to murder teenagers on an island where they were not able to flee. And he lives in a world that hears to special key-words. He used this explanation. But what if he likes to hide the real reasons for his deeds? Would this not be an indicator that exactly this what he says is the most far point from the real reasons? Or do you think mass-murderers are friends of the truth? http://youtu.be/aq9_NVV3U0U
Shoulden't be so quick to call him a 'psychopath' Brivik showed remorse in the court room recently. There are pictures with his head buried in his hands. Unfourantly the efamily of the victims interviewed about this, believe he is not sorry for what he did but the realisation he is now caught and his plan failed. He is aware of what he did but like a trained soldier, he does not see his victims as human. And proberly never will. Although the psychology effects of this, would need a trained professionall on this forum to explain the details.
There may well be other reasons, I am simply saying that the people he killed on the Island were the future elite and so in keeping with what he said. I myself made a reference to another possible reason but I can only go on what comes out. So far he strikes me as someone who believes in himself - and by that I mean who was being true to himself whatever that self was.
From what I have seen he is not remorseful, the pictures of him holding his head and crying are from when the court heard part of his manifesto. He was "moved" by the experience.
Agreed, although he seems 'remoursefull' at being caught. Although his defence will be interesting when he uses self defence as a justification.
It isn't quick. He shows the signs of a psychopath. The very fact that he smiled and enjoyed killing these youngsters is a sure sign of his inability to understand what they were going through. It probably was a bit of a game to him. That is what life is like to a psychopath. and what did he show remorse about. It is quite possible for psychopaths to feel sorry for themselves and even to mimic feelings. That does not mean they are capable of feeling for the other, of having empathy or feeling guilt. He clearly is not sorry for what he did. He has said he would do the same thing again and yes, he would feel sorry for himself if his own plans did not work out. A psychopath is perfectly capable of self pity and even producing tears. To some extent I agree with you there...I would agree that that was the way he saw it in his mind. However these were defenceless people. The bomb bad enough in it's disregard for life but bringing together and then shooting with a smile defenceless youngsters .......well if that is what soldiers in your army are doing, it is war crimes. Any army which indulges in the kind of behaviour he did, killing defenceless youngsters is indeed acting on a psychopathic level and should be reported to the ICC. You appear to be in some way condoning or justifying what he did.
I don't have any idea about his real intentions. I see it this way: He liked to murder the teenagers on the Island Utoya. This was his first priority. And because he liked to do so he used a powerful bomb in the government district as divisionary tactic. While all policemen tried to find out what had happened there he entered the Island Utoya dressed as policeman and started his massacre. And he was very well trained to be a murderer - perhaps he learned this with a PC-program because he acted like robot in a SF-game. A trained man for example tried to stop him - but this man had no chance and died. He was really "good". He had trained. I don't believe in any spontaneousness. And I also don't believe that he was schizophrenic. http://youtu.be/OcIMvliWM2I
From a theatrical point of view , I expect him to sack his lawyer at some point and take centre stage himself . The trial should be an irrelevancy from his perspective , but it can work for him if he can outline his full vision to us -- the blind . I doubt that he is so off the planet that he cannot see that this is the last time in his life he will have what he thinks is an audience .
I guess you understood very well what I asked. You don't have an answer, that's all. http://youtu.be/R1JScWuKnI0
If I have got you right, you are suggesting that he had such an urge to murder people who were really of mixed ages that he set up the whole of the rest of the apparatus just so that people would think he was more than just a murderer. There really is no evidence for that. Nor is there any for him being schizophrenic. I did not even know that had been suggested. There is however evidence of him over a fairly long period spending time on internet sites and visiting London and meeting with various ant islam extremists. I think my perception of the psychopath is correct. He will have felt like God when he was doing his massacre, letting some off and killing others. He probably believes he has morals - hence he was able not to take it out on Muslims but on those suffering from 'cultural marxism' who had brought the situation into being. He did train, he explained that today. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/19/anders-breivik-call-of-duty He seems to be pretty straight as to who he is and his motives. He has no conscience which is why he does not care. He cannot feel and does not understand that others do. He believes he has been pretty cool and done the right thing. That's it. He always will have been psychopathic (about 10 or 20% of the population is). He found his family among the anti Islam extremists and took action. It looks like he didn't even hate Muslims. That is what it looks like. You need to understand that because a psychopath cannot feel, they cannot care about others. They cannot know right and wrong based on their their feelings. He bought the anti-muslim extremist version of right and wrong. Originally there was no intent to do the shooting on the Island. That was apparently a very late decision.
I don't think he killed them for being elite. He killed them for being the future of multiculturalism. That is his aim. Regarding Utoya, he said he intended to build two bombs but ran out of time and could only plant one bomb and shoot as many as possible on the island. He intended to kill everyone on it and decapitate the ex Prime Minister. He isn't coming over to me as insane. Yes, I realise how incongruous that looks after what he has done.
Yes, but they also were the elite. He could instead have killed Muslims as the future of multiculturalism but he claims he chose deliberately not to do that as they were not responsible. The 'Cultural Marxist' elite invited them to live in Norway. He could of course be lying. The other question is whether he possibly killed them for their views on Israel given that in his Manifesto he is incredibly pro Israel and anti Palestinians who have no rights as far as he was concerned. I agree Viv. He doesn't come over as insane to me either. He knew what he was doing and to his beliefs it was the right thing to do. I simply believe he is a psychopath because he was able to kill defenceless people without conscience or guilt. Psychopaths function much the same as everyone else apart from being incapable of feeling. http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
He acts as though he is a 'revolutionary nationalist', he used a combination of 'cultural Marxist' and 'revolutionary nationalist' symbolism in his salute in court, the provocated stretched arm and fist (such very important details are never discussed in the MSM or in the 'new' media. Very important, because can stop another repeat of history) His terror is the same as Marius van der Lubbe executed before Germany became an empire (attack on the Reichstag, from that terror they had the ability to take over Germany, they repeat exactly the same history) His act of terror has helped the Norwegian elite to move the country toward more totalitarian and gained power from his terror in the same way as happened after the terror that happened in Germany. He is a revolutionary by and for the Norwegian elite/system, a servant. He is using the same ideology that changed Russia and Germany and many other Eastern European countries into totalitarian 'socialistic' systems.
No . I simply guessed you were having difficulties and I saw no reason to embarrass you , since you ask .
He killed the people he views responsible for multiculturalism, as he perceives it to be destroying his culture. He probably doesn't appreciate any of the other views that affiliation holds either, come to think of it. Those kids might have become elite and you will correct me if you disagree, but what are the traditional roles for right and left? Anyone in politics might be considered elite, but of those political elite, the Cons are usually Righties and usually more old money/capitalist/elitist than the left. The difficult thing about him is how very logical and almost honest he is. It's really heartbreaking. The whole thing is. And as suspected, he came out with the point made earlier, that in his mind, he could not express his political views or ever be heard, because Norwegian media does not report right wing views or racism. So he decided to be heard in this way. This is very difficult, as instinct is to shut such people up because their views are so offensive.
