The last couple of days harrowing tales have been told of those injured and the effect this has had on their lives. There was a picture yesterday of him smiling curiously as one woman told the dreadful tale of what had happened to her. Asked by psychiatrists if he was moved, he said of course he was, how could anyone be not but as everyone noticed he was never moved to emotion. The psychiatrists were also trying to show he was insane. I do not think he has shown any sign of it but by his continued coldness, he continues in my opinion to show himself as a psychopath. Yesterday he said that one of the ways in which people in Norway were brainwashed into 'cultural Marxism' was by songs such as "Children of the Rainbow'. Today the people of Norway continued their dignified response. http://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...ance-of-norway-mass-killer-as-trial-continues
He's withtout any doubt a psychopath and/or sociopath. But is this a "learned" defect or a biological defect of the brainware? In the first case we have to look that noone else is a able to learn what he had learned - in the second case we need a diagnostic system so we can see very early what are the indicators of someone who is in danger also to do what he had done. But his emotionless situation is perhaps nothing else than normal. Whatelse than emotionless is he able to be now? He made something what is not only not repairable - he has also no chance for any form of compensation. He has only one life and not 77 lifes and he would need more then 77 lifes if we count all biological, psychological and sociological wounds of his deeds. If I see him and his chubby-ceeked face then I'm asking me: This harmless ignorant murdererd so many people? Unbelievable - but it's true. He did it. Without any grace. I remember in this context the expression of Hannah Arendts "the banality of the evil". It is so unbelievable banal to play to be a kind of emotionless robot. He's like a kind of machine part of a Borg who is his own broken collective and regulative - as if he would be a part of a show and not a part of real life. http://youtu.be/pRR-FUKnimM
The jury is still out. Some people believe it is genetic but to the best of my knowledge no gene has been found for it. Others believe it is the result of trauma, particularly trauma when the person is very young, even tiny. For some reason the person has hurt beyond a level they can bear and their inner feeling self shuts down. In that way it is more a feeling rather than mental impairment. Psychopaths are not necessarily deficient in abstract or logical thinking - indeed they can be extremely logical because they are not held back or balanced if you like by feelings and conscience like others. I wrote this in a previous post http://www.politicalforum.com/western-europe/243936-breivik-trial-7.html I think whether he is this is more subject to debate. He followed a large group of thinkers. To some extent it could be said that his actions were a logical result of internalising their sociology/political ideology and acting on it because he was able to being a psychopath. If he is a sociopath then so are those who gave him those thoughts, so are those like Pamela Geller who boasted about a Norwegian planning a bombing on her site Atlas shrugs and that he was safe because the names were anonymous. This was before the before the bombing Sadly many people have said they understand where he was coming from, he had a point. After the massacre Pamela Geller compared those who had died with the killer - both being bad because those who were killed were wanting a boycott of Israel. Like I said if he has a sociopathic mind, then that goes far wider than him. Well we will get that in due course. Generally it is believed there is no cure for a psychopath and treatment tends to make them worse - though there was a British psychiatrist who managed to get 6 psychopath prisoners to feel warmth and empathy. His work was stopped through lack of funds. There are other vague suggestions of him being delusional but we haven't heard a lot about them. I don't think it would be possible to say he was mentally ill and suffering from delusion concerning most of what we have heard and his Manifesto, without saying that about far right extremists in general. Now I might believe in that but unless we are going to start a McCarthy type attack on them or an American King one, I don't see how his ideas can be found as evidence of his individual sociopathy. He took action on what others said. Being a psychopath he had no feelings, no conscience, no fear even to stop him - and I think he did say in court recently that he had no fear. I don't agree his emotionless state is normal 'under the circumstances'. I believe it is 'normal' for him and is what allowed him to do it and the sure sign that he is a psychopath. He believed what he read in those anti-islam sites and what he spoke about with his anti-islam people and he believes that what he did was patriotic. He took the logical step of someone following the hate propaganda unhindered by empathy, fear or conscience.
His sanity or otherwise is really academic, since he's going to be locked up for the rest of his life whatever. From his point of view, it's essential that he avoids being diagnosed as mentally ill, since that would vitiate his entire political philosophy, on which he based his actions. Personally, I think he's marginally more mad than bad, but there's not much in it.
How often is the sanity of a muslim terrorist called into question? I don't see why some people are so eager to categorise him as mentally ill while treating muslim terrorists as members of a global army.
I also don't know why he did what he did or why "it" did with him what "it" did - whatever "it" could be in his context. ??? ¿Israel? Why not Trinidad? What are the name of this men? Sounds somehow funny. He is suffering? I don't have the impression that he is really suffering. Perhaps he's enjoying the situation. That's perhaps an important point. He did not do suicide because he like to motivate people from the far right extremist surrounding to become a murderer like he is one. So he likes to be impressing for this group pf people. Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium [=the wrong medicine] for the people, it's the cry of the supressed creature ..." and China murdered about 100 million people of all religions because of such ideas during their culture revolution. Was this the intention of Karl Marx? Is this not better comparable than the completly stupid behavior of the USA under McGarthy? Hmm - I don't trust in anything what he says. If he would live with the full cognitions and emotions of his own deeds then he would implode. Perhaps his situation now is a kind of normal emergency status of everybodys psychological structure. The truth could kill him now. His anti-islam-motivation is still not covincing me. That's a popular theme. Could be also every other popular theme I asume. He fought not against Muslims - he fought against his own hometown Norway. http://youtu.be/uiH4BFTELME
It was clearly what I bolded and responded to. Your question whether psychopathy is born or learnt. You have not read his Manifesto and know nothing about him it would appear. It will indeed be puzzling to you if you have not bothered to find out anything about it. Again you are unaware that the day before these young people were killed they were holding a boycott Israel demand You appear to be completely unaware of the situation of the anti-islam extremists with whom he developed his ideas and that intertwined with an anti islam hatred is an extremist pro Israel agenda..as Ms Geller said after http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...mmer-camp-indoctrination-training-center.html http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/0...-in-norway-a-reaction-to-bds-israeli-boycott/ No psychopathy is not funny. The work was some time ago and I am not going to spend hours looking it up. No you are playing with my words again. I suspect you are enjoying the situation. Seems would be so as you find psychopathy funny. I have not a clue what you are talking about here. This was mass murder against defenceless civilians - the majority of whom were under age. The motivation for the attack was anti-islam extremism. That is fair enough. However fearlessness is often a symptom of psychopathy and on this I believe him. I have rarely seen a more type script psychopath. and on what basis do you say this. If he is a psychopath it does not matter to him at all. What does matter is his ego and according to his ego he is a patriotic hero. He has already explained this in court. He chose the elite - those in power and the children of the elite and possibly future elite rather than Muslims because he believed they were responsible for inviting Muslims into Norway. He said anti-islam extremists are divided in opinion as to whether to go after Muslims of the 'cultural Marxist' elite. I asked if this was true but no one answered.
It is a plausible reason. The EDL said shortly after that if the UK does not change it will likely get similar within 5 years.
British psychiatrist outlines why he does not believe Breivik is insane http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17859499
Oh, someone likes to give but cannot take. There, there You were pretending you knew nothing about Breivik's relationship with anti-islam extremists, misconstruing much of what I wrote and then me you I simply replied to what you had written and your irreverent attitude of pretending you did not know anything about Breivik's anti-islam extremist links and other pertinent issues or what I was talking about when I was replying to what you had said and even emboldened it.... you was, as they say, taking the (*)(*)(*)(*), were you not?
