As I imagine people will know today was the second day of Breivik's trial. He gave a weird smirk when a law Judge was sacked as he had written of Facebook after Breivik's mass murders that the death penalty was the only right response. I don't agree with the death penalty myself but it was interesting to watch a mass murderer smirking because he was protected. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/17/anders-behring-breivik-claims-victims-not-innocent I would think there would be quite a few people here who agree with his views. Your opinion?
'Cultural marxists' Sounds oddly familiar. I am glad he is on trial. I am a little disappointed that they will not air his speech. I think it is important to hear. But I appreciated the Norwegian Authorities are in a difficult spot and publishing the transcripts rather than allowing it to be aired seems like a reasonable compromise.
This sick animal needs to be put to death as soon as possible. ..But since you decided to politicize this: Yes multicultularism is still a perverted conspiracy perpetrated by the most irresponsible stupid old hippies this continent has to offer. And believe it or not, it wasnt this side that caused this tragedy: it was yours. If you decide to eradicate an entire civilization because it makes you feel good about yourself then you can expect some sick (*)(*)(*)(*) to do something like this.
At least you acknowledge that the sick (*)(*)(*)(*) came from your side. the paranoid religious racist rightwing armed (*)(*)(*)(*)s.
The enemy of Mr. Anders Behring-Breivick was Mr. Anders Behring-Breivik - and he lost. He murdered 77 of his fellow countrymen and lots are suffering because of the very heavy wounds. The norwegian nation is fighting not to lose their way of frankness, freedom, trust and love. Love is the only way - nearly everyone in Norway seems to know this - but never the way of love was so hard to go for this little nation. I saw today a woman who lost an arm. I saw another woman who was very heavy wounded in multiple ways. She had to learn to go again. This woman said the psychological wounds are the worst. She had really lots of problems with her body - but she said the psychological wounds are the worst. I was deeply shocked when I heard this. He traumatized lots of people - and still he likes to hurt his fellow countrymen. His stories are interesting - "nice" fantasy I would say - but far from any reality. He's without any compassion or empathy for his own people - he is only worried about his self defined role. Could be every role but he decided he likes to look what he thinks a hero and freedom fighter should be. Indeed he's nothign else then a man who murdered unweaponed teenagers on a very little Island. Once this island was a paradise - now it is a hell. Nothing what he says has only a little to do with truth or reality. Everything what he says follows the will to hurt - to traumatize - to murder. http://youtu.be/xg-YQsXNfeo
He's giving me nightmares. I saw him in my dreams last night. Some of what he said has been reported in the Press and is as expected. He claims he has made a political statement. A direct attack on the seat of Government and a direct attack on the people he viewed as the future of multiculturalism. Those people are not innocent children to him, he sees them as some view soldiers...fair game and they put themselves up for it by their active support for multiculturalism. If someone went into a far right enclave and shot everyone there, I doubt he would see it the same way. I agree there are many who share similar views. I read his online thesis and thought some people here would agree with much of what he says. He knows such people exist and aimed to spark them into action. When this failed, it seems he took action alone. The irony is that his actions have made his views even less acceptable. People who are uncomfortable with levels of immigration and loss of culture will never be able to speak on that without fear of accusatory fingerpointing.
I think he is not insane and that when he is found guilty he should be hanged. Do they hang people in Norway? No,what a shame.
On cultural Marxism http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/ His manifesto spoke of all the usual suspects, Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, Wilders, Bat Ye'or, Pamela Geller and so on. He specifically had links with the EDL one of whom said on Newsnight after it happened that if the UK did not change it's ways we would likely get the same within 5 years. Tommy Robinson (EDL) was recently applauding him http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-to-deny-praising-anders-breivik-7640181.html
I don't believe he is insane either but I am in no doubt he is a psychopath, which unfortunately a fair number of people are. I don't though believe in the death penalty. If they decide he is not insane the maximum life sentence in Norway is I think 21 years, but in really extreme circumstances like this is they can bring him for review and extend it again and again for life, which I imagine they would need to do even if just to stop someone killing him. I imagine he will spend his life in jail.
It's a shame not to hang someone? This you are writing without becoming a pink head from the toes to the hair roots? http://youtu.be/wMIGQp4YhuU It's by the way an interesting question why Mr. Anders Behring-Breivik still did not do suicinde what's the "normal" way how such desaters are in most cases ending. Why shoud Noreay cahmge oinyl one law becaue fo Gim? He's not so impprtnat. No none wil di anytjgni to folow his will. Heä sby ther way worthfiul as ling as he is alive. It's a good chance to study him and his behavior and to take in this way care for the future.
I'm not able to imagine any circumstances where Anders Behring-Breivick ever will come free again. The questions is only wether he is a "normal fanatics" or an "insane fanatics". Both answers will lead to a similiar result. The question is only prison or hospital - high security versions in both cases. If he would really come free they had to watch him day and night with a team of people. He will always be dangerous as long as no one knows anything about his "demons" and how to heal him. Wether he is able to be responsible for his deeds or wether he is not able to be responsible for his deeds is not so important as it is important to protect all other people. http://youtu.be/bKYsliMk6i4 http://youtu.be/N5UxzcMvkGA
It doesn't really matter if he is sane or insane. Either way he is never getting out of prison. Despite the max term being only 21 years, I am sure that an exception will be made for Breivik. He will die in prison.
Possibly, but I think it's dangerous to allow critical debates like this to be shaped by extreme reactions rather than rational discussion. It would be best if this could be treated for what it is - a man who chose to coldly murder lots of innocent people. He actions should make his political views much less relevant, not more. Sadly, I don't see this being the case and moderate voices will continue to be drowned about by ranters, bigots and murderers from all extremes.
Breivik says his country is being overtaken by a combination of Marxists and Muslims. Of course he did not present a shred of evidence but was allowed to make his delusional declaration. Interestingly, this same psychotic mysticism is precisely the same thing forum delusionals says about President Obama. PRECISELY the same. It puts these psychotics with that of an avowed fascist and paints a pathetic picture of their deluded mindlessness.
The trial of Breivik - just curious until what limits can reach a free democratic society. Well, maybe up to a total denial of guilt of a criminal. It is not his will to make him made the mass murder, he just did what the voices ordered him to make it .
I hear that after this happened Norway voted on whether to bring back the death penalty and they voted against it. They are taking the line that Breivik will not change a thing in their laws or society. Good for them. I really don't like it when something like this happens and politicians run around ignoring law and doing anything even if it's wrong, just in order to keep the public quiet. A man like that shouldn't change anything. If he is allowed to, he has won. The EDL protested about Abu Qatada in London yesterday. There was also an anti-EDL protest. I know this because my friend works in the building where they protested, but I haven't seen it reported in the news. First instinct is it is good the media doesn't give them air time. But look at what can happen if such people are ignored. They feel the need to force the issue through violence.
The drift toward violence is now inevitable . The only questions are when , where , and how violent .imo. This Forum is replete with people of a similar outlook and it is just a matter of time before there is a truly radical and even extremist part of the Christian Church . Breivik is a terrible warning of a probable future with Muslim Fundamentalists versus White dominated Jesus Supremacists.
That is our past, our history. We didn't eradicate Islam in the past and it's not likely extremists will now. I hope that never gets off the ground, enough lives have been spent on it. I thought we might break the cycle. I and the Norwegians had thought we were moving past all that religious tosh. But how big a part does religion play with Breivik, is he not just a common racist? He is anti-Muslim we think...but maybe he is really just anti-any-perceived-threat to Norwegian control. If he ejected the Muslims, do you think it would end or would he move on to other non-"Norwegians"?
My impression is that he sees himself as a Warrior from a Christian Culture .Probably a modern day re-incarnation of a Crusader . If that is what the impressionable , gullible and ignorant latch on to , there is trouble ahead . I am inclined to the belief that revolutions never truly spark until there are Heros and Martyrs -- and preferably dead ones . Breivik could well be the required catalyst . imo
Hanging is too good for him. This is what is over looked with long prison sentances. He will rot in isolation for the rest of his life. Denied contact with the main prison population, who proberbly kill him for his actions. Decades in a tiny cell and if he wants death to end it all. Although if he tries to klill himself, he be given medical help to return to his long living hell.
We didn't have the internet in the past and on the net there is a massive anti-islam network. Quilliam has a take on it http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/images/conceptpaper28july2011.pdf or here from the US http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/islamophobia.html The important thing is that it is a network of several people going all the way across the Atlantic and Europe and a great deal of what it says is not true or else greatly exaggerated. Here is one of his faux's being responded to -snip http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anders-breivik-trial-luton-residents-798424 People may have come in contact with a video last week of Chaudary on a march, that really got them going. Also the translatlantic hate squad seem to have an underlying plan concerning Israel - possibly just get everyone to hate Palestinians because that puts Israel in a better position for taking their land - because they are all up to that too. Now if he had just read things and come to his decision it might be one thing but he met up with others and talked or visited all the sites. Pamela Geller seemed well tickled pink when she received an email from a Norwegian saying he was planning a bombing. She kept it anonymous to save his identity. I would have felt better if it had brought these people to their senses but instead they could not help saying they saw his point of view and Pamela Geller put both Breivik and those he murdered on a similar footing of treachery because I think they were asking for Boycott of Israel - so they were pretty much asking for it Geller thought. Unfortunately Israel was full of people saying this too. 'Look what they were doing, supporting the Palestinians, they deserves it' sort of thing. To me they all have a responsibility but they cannot think so because they seem to all be going on as usual. Then Norway have the problem that if they decide that he is insane his views are widely held by those across the net work. It is very much both getting rid of immigrants but also of getting rid of those who are cultural Marxists. He spoke of killing them in his manifesto. One of the things which needed to be done. He also wants rid of feminists but seems to be ok about gays. Oh and very strong on Israel getting all the Palestinian land but he thinks some Jews are cultural marxists so not good at all. Likely get killed with me. Apparently today he was saying he respects Al Qaeda, In the Quilliam link I gave at the beginning of this post, they believe that they are is a symbiotic relationship. They both want Europe/America free of Islam, then the anti-islam extremist rule Europe and the US, probably under a theocracy and 'Al Qaeda' rule the Islam world. I believe they are dangerous and it is the internet giving them their voice which allows them to find ears. They say something which sounds like it might be right and the person is sucked in.
As far as I know he grew up with a friend who was a Muslim. The relation between them was normal. Not really. He said he murdered on reasons of his own goodness because he liked to protect his fellow citizens from civil war. Was his intention to murder Muslims? He murdered teenagers in a holiday camp. Would it not make more sense to say "Allahu akbar! I killed them in the name of god" - if he would really hate Muslims? http://youtu.be/ojpnPz1DhK4
