"Bring Skills, Speak English"

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  1. Stonewall Jackson

    Stonewall Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Geez.....who said anything about the Nobel Prize winner, whatever color he/she/it might be, coming without his wife and children. You certainly have a vivid, but childlike, imagination
     
  2. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've seen the progression where I live, and it is not the way you imagine. It works more like this:
    • Working middle class citizens work one or 1.5 jobs for $12/hour and get by, forming a stable working base in a community. Middle class loses.
    • Corporate and small business owners get greedy for larger profits, so they use human traffickers to bring in illegals who, knowing nothing about our culture, are willing to work for $6/hour and tolerate living multiple families to an apartment or bed-sharing. But the quality of their work is not as good. The quality of services declines. Middle class loses.
    • Community members are appalled at the illegals' living conditions. HUD steps in and creates low-income housing. Pressure on wages to pay a "living wage" has now been aleviated, and wages remain low, making corporations richer. Cost of housing has been shifted to the taxpayer. Middle class loses again.
    • Illegals have been here long enough to realize they've been had, so they demonstrate for higher wages. They want the $12/hour that was paid for the work in the first place. But their quality of work does not always improve. They still receive social services, and get paid in undeclared cash payments. Middle class loses.
    There are some jobs that, it is true, are difficult to fill without imported labor, But there are visas designed for those workers -- and they can lead to green cards. There is no reason for anyone who is illegal to have work in this country.
     
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    ChoppedLiver Well-Known Member

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    Your family can get in line like every other immigrant can so the American people won't be burdened with their presence being here.
     
  4. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you trying to denied what you've just said??? Intellectual honesty isn't your strong suit.

    ChoppedLiver said:
    Why, when a person immigrates to this country, should we be compelled to take on the burden of that persons whole entire family?
    We shouldn't have to accept "the whole burrito" just because one person qualifies to be allowed to immigrate here.

    So they are here, their family is there. You don't welcome them. That isn't dumping?
     
  5. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I already know you are anti Immigrants. You've admitted as much.

    You've must hate your ancestors. Pathetic.
     
  6. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Immigrants come to Europe to work, not to live with family members or sit on social services. When people are allowed in "just because", they often have no intention of contributing to the economy. On the contrary, they arrive and apply for social services.

    I have immigrants in my immediate family -- it wasn't a "quick" process but it wasn't difficult or impossible for those who can understand and follow the rules and guidelines.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Geez, you call me "child like" yet you can't follow a discussion in an orderly logical manner and read what the other poster said. You just want to spout nonsense instead?
     
  8. ChoppedLiver

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    I'm beginning to think that you're one of those illegal alien criminals that infest this country like the plague that they truly are and not a legal immigrant.

    You sure do share the illegal alien criminal values as well as their decerebrate talking points.
     
  9. Stonewall Jackson

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    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see........my screen name is 'Stonewall Jackson'......that being said, I can certainly read 'ChoppedLivers' comment to mean the immigrant's extended family......not immediate family. There is nothing in existing immigration law, or the Trump proposal that contemplates the scenario you are railing about incoherently
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you ranting about? I'm discussing the topic with the other poster who say, family members shouldn't be allowed if they are "deemed" to have no skills. So if a wife have no skill, the husband have skill, he is welcomed, but his wife isn't? By the way, I know how the immigration process work. It isn't fast or easy as these people make it out to be.
     
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    Wow....more ad hom attacks? Just because we shared different views, you think I'm an "illegal alien"?? You are hopeless.
     
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    LMAO. You've twisted his words to suit you. He didn't once denied it and you know it. Quit playing the naive game.
     
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    If it walks like a duck...
     
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    Of global immigrants, 1 in 5, already live in the US.

    1917 - People who wished to settle in the U.S. had to pass a literacy test.

    1920s, Immigration Law limited the overall number of immigrants and established quotas based on nationality.

    1940s and 50s, the U.S. slightly increased the number and nationalities of immigrants.

    The turn of the century restriction came after massive waves of immigration and gave those waves time to assimilate, and it worked. Over the last 50 years we have again experienced massive waves of immigration and dialing it back, would again provide time for them to assimilate.

    Not exactly earth stopping.

    95,000,000 Americans are not in the labor force. Cutting down on the influx of low skilled labor will give those in that group that would like to work and easier environment to compete in. If worker shortages develop that result in excessive wage inflation, we can always increase the number of entrants.
     
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    Oh look:

    If passed by the Congress and signed into law, the legislation titled the Reforming American Immigration for Strong Employment (RAISE) Act could benefit highly-educated and technology professionals+ from countries like India.


    Say good bye to your high tech jobs because you'll be replaced by an Indian. You would love that though.
     
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    We already have enough Hispanic produce pickers an gardeners and not enough tech. pros.

    Maybe that is a good thing.

    Or, do you expect we will get a deluge of high tech pros coming across our southern border?

    Fat chance of that!
     
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    You need to get your story straight.......are the proponents of this bill 'evil White racists who only want White immigrants' or folks who are trying to replace our high tech jobs with brown skin Indian techies........you are friggin' hilarious....
     
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    Never said the proponents of this bill were white racists. That is a strawman. You are friggin' hilarious.
     
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    If the husband was able earn a living sufficient to support a stay-at-home wife, there wouldn't be a problem.

    Sorry, you can't fool me with immigration horror stories. It isn't that difficult. It was not intended to be "fast".
     
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    What? Lol
     
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    How far back do you have to go to find some of your folks who came from Ireland, Scotland or Britain?

    Of course not I was basterdized from my African heritage, so it would be hard for me to know my culture.
     
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    I understand it very well. Particularly when the proposed law repudiates the sentiment that has routinely been cited as a prime example of what America is about.
     
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    You said it was unconstitutional and against the law. I showed it was not. Please stay focused.
     
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    Kids work on farms where I live and always have butbthen this is more about able bodied adults on welfare.
     

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