Bus drivers refuse to transport Jewish people to pro Israel rally

That's what people do on a discussion board.

Please do.

 

Maybe you can go and tell that to the person that bought Christians into the thread?

 

The gay cake comparison is a valid one. IMO the bakers should be able to refuse such service, and now we are looking at a similar case with the bus drivers. I think the law is in the side of the Jews in this case.

 

All except for the inconvenient little part that there is no evidence that religion was a motivating factor....

 

According to you then companies can just bring back those Jim Crow laws, eh? lol

 

What are they saying motivated them?

 

Responsible to a third party for any damage done, yes, if what happened was within the employees apparent scope of duty. That is the test.

If the bus driver refuses to drive a customer for an unjust reason after the customer has paid and the customer suffers damages as a result (which can be more than just the fare), that is on the company, yes, because it relates directly to the service. If the driver pulls out a gun and shoots somebody, then that isn't on the company because it isn't related to the bus service.

As far as the service goes, an employee is agent of the company and a third party isn't privy to and isn't responsible for the employee/employer relationship.

Third party contracted for something from the bus company and the bus company didn't provide the service. That and any resulting damages from that can be sued for.

 

I do agree with you though that the company shouldn't be held liable for punitive damages or under any sort of hate crime or hate speech legislation so long as they fired the employee.

The bus company is also responsible for when drivers crash busses, because that's in their scope, but now if they intentionally run somebody down in moto homicide. So maybe the bus company could argue that the driver was outside his scope with any racist remarks, etc.

Anyway, that's how courts looked at it traditionally.

 

So if the drivers did this on company time then yes, the company is accountable for what the drivers do.
If the drivers were on their own time, and not identifiable as employees of the company, then no.

There's even a Supreme court case on point, from Oregon in the 80's.
Had to do with drug counselors doing Peyote.

Now.
What the drivers did is reprehensible, and the company needs to take some firm disciplinary action.

 

why do you think this discrimination was not anti-Semitism?

 

Not all antisemitism is religiously motivated.

 

Possible, but I would bet religion played a role in this antisemitism\discrimination

 

Why do you believe the company should be responsible for what its employees independently do?

This seems crazy and very fascist to me, a wrongful assignment of responsibility.

I strongly believe the company should not be punished for a policy that they did not choose and which was not their fault.

It seems to me people like you do not have respect for the rights of companies.

 

Right or wrong employees are representatives of the company that they are employed by.

They are the public face of the company

 

I think many conservatives, including you, have unwittingly fallen into the progressive mindset.

In the old days, there is absolutely no way any conservative judge would make a company pay "damages" over something like this. It would have been seen as totally loony and absurd.
And I'm not even talking that long ago. The 1940s, the 1950s, probably even the 60s and 70s.

Society seems to be going crazy and changing, and no one even seems to be able to recognize it or see what is happening.

The company should NOT have responsibility for this. People seem to be trying to stick responsibility to the company that should not be there.

This is a form of legal-economic totalitarian fascism, and conservatives need to wake up and be able to see it.

 

Let's say you call an electrician to your house. They come out there and completely screw up the job to the point where your house burns down.... Who are you going to sue?

 

Are you not able to see how that is different from this story?

I'm going to point out two factors to you. Actual clear financial damages, and intentionality of the employee.

 

A company should be held responsible for the issues they cause. It holds true for individuals. It holds true for companies as well.

 

I agree that the bus drivers should be fired. I would agree on suing the bus company only if other bus drivers could be found quickly. If it was up to me the passengers would be given free bus rides.

 

I would say so. The main responsibility of the bus company is to find other bus drivers who drive the passengers to the pro Israel rally.

 

On the other hand, I think a bus company should have a stated policy of not driving anyone to a pro Hamas rally, because Hamas is a terrorist organization.

 

Well according to you the employer is not responsible for the actions of the employee.

But I bet the first thing you would do if your house burned down was go get a lawyer

 

I would agree, if they were already sold a ticket, same with Uber, pharmacies, ect... once you ordered it, that is a contract for service

 

Don't you think they should be prosecuted for violating the civil rights of the Jewish people? That public accommodations thingy.