California mandates first-ever water restriction

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like every other business.

    Artificially reducing costs, or at least not letting the supply and demand component weigh in on the price of fresh food is detrimental.
     
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    Again, I agree with the concept, however, since IMO the US teeters on the brink of 'something' at all times, in this case a water crisis, the societal effects can be so horrific that we can't simply allow the market to solve the problems...
     
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    BS, that's just the line they are selling you.

    Commodity priced private water is a step towards stability, not away.
     
  4. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So we continue to allow development and population growth in areas of the country that don't have the natural resources to handle it?

    The southwest has been clamoring for a solution to their water issues for years. They built the largest concentration of golf courses in the world in a city located in the desert (Las Vegas).

    It just isn't logical, and the market solves the problem of stopping development that the environment can't sustain.
     
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    I think for myself.

    What do you suppose $5-6/gallon gasoline will do to the economy?
     
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    what is the connection? addressing any problem first requires solving all other problems?

    that is a very stupid argument
     
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    The idiocy of this issue is exactly what you state about continued population growth and development. We can't do anything about population growth. Development continues because of the demand and the economy and certainly politics. This is exacerbated by the reality that people choose/need to live in the already high-density areas because this is where the jobs and opportunities remain...college graduates and employers are not going to relocate to Bakersfield or Gibson City. Eventually the (*)(*)(*)(*) hits the fan in these areas when roads are more gridlocked and water becomes scarce or too expensive...then people will react and demand government solve problems which won't have immediate solutions.

    I lived in Scottsdale, AZ for many years and I remember 30-40 years ago they proclaimed water as an issue and to stop growth and waste. Well, since then the area has expanded by 300-400% and they are managing. They have several reservoirs and water from the Colorado River but even this will be a problem sometime in the future.

    BTW; there is no indication to date that the market will slow or stop development. Inflation continues and our political leaders, just as with gasoline, won't allow the cost of water to soar. Development continues as long as there is demand...
     
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    I thought Palm Springs which also is in the desert had the most golf courses.
     
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    I don't have an issue with golf courses. There are thousands of golf courses across the nation just as there are thousands of grassy parks across the nation...all of them requiring water irrigation. At least the golf courses, the private ones, pay their way and boost the economy while grassy parks do not. Are golf courses and grassy parks essential to life...of course not. Further, in many cases, like AZ, FL, CA, etc. it is these golf courses which stimulate the economy while grassy parks do not. It would be interesting to know, in those cities which have water issues, what percentage of the water resources is consumed by the municipality versus the private sector?
     
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    The economy is measured by the sales of US products and services which includes manufactured items.

    The US economy is not dependent on population growth...it depends on both domestic and foreign demand.

    Housing construction and sales are both economic indicators but neither gives the complete picture...
     
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    I have no problem with golf courses.

    But I wish that Palm Springs didn't have so many. I know the only reason why Obama bought a house in Ranch Mirage was because there are over 80 golf courses in the area and California doesn't need any moor loons or stupid people moving into the state.
     
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    Not that it would matter if he did, but that's a myth:
    http://www.latimes.com/business/rea...-hotprop-not-barack-obama-20140826-story.html
     
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    The economy use to be measured by the production of durable goods.

    How many durable goods are produced today in America ?

    The necessities of life like burgers, beer, toilet paper, sex, a roof over ones head or going to Disneyland were never factored in on measuring the economy until America's manufacturing base disappeared or lets say moved off shore or across the border.
     
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    Thank's for the good news, that's one myth I can believe in.

    It never made sense to me why a community organizer, a black community organizer would buy a house in such a red area that has so many guns. I don't even think there's one taco truck in Rancho Mirage.
     
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    Cause production to increase.
     
  17. OldManOnFire

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    I don't think Obama bought anything in Rancho Mirage or Palm Springs??

    - - - Updated - - -

    Things change so people should change as well...
     
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    Not I, I'm never going to take it up the butt.

    Buggery will always be buggery, some things will never change.
     

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